*Nerwen*

This thread should help: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=14678 If the hens are in the middle of breeding (as in on eggs) leave them to continue but don't let them have another round. If they have no eggs I would remove the boxes and if you have a flight put them out to rest until ready to breed again.

I would feel inclined to take the male along. If the budgies do tun out to have some contagious move the canary family to a different area of the house and treating them in quarantine from the rest. Also what is making him sick could affect the rest of the canaries as well. Just tell the vet he is at the moment breeding with his partner on eggs. that all depends on where in the moult cycle they are in. They might have been ready to regrow new feathers or they might be missing them for a few months. :hap: keep trying them with the fresh stuff but in small amounts (less waste) it will take a while for them to try something different. If they like the toast sprinkle some over the other things, it might tempt them to try.

I think the parents are the hen is a sky blue greywing the cock is a green dominant pied greywing. I used this picture of them as well http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/tru...e3/DSC03961.jpg in that you can see both have grey throat spots. All the babies will be green unless the male is split for blue. 50% can be dominant pied 50% normals (the two oldest look to be pieds) all will be split for blue

very interesting. Cinnamon for sure which would come from the male like the ino gene. Now Ino can mask a dominant trait (meaning it is a dominant pied, for example, but the ino over rides it hiding the fact) tracing back to 2002 I would have thought a pied would show up, but then I have heard of someone having to trace back 15 years to find a recessive gene breed into the line. What about pictures of the parents? is that possible? Does the sire have a small head spot? there is talk that the spot is a mark of a split to recessive pied bird. Edit to add- cheeta and I posted at the same time.

I wonder if this is eatable?

Maybe it's me I thought I was being clear :ausb: Elly if you mean a Ino male (not split) then you would get Ino hens but TC males, the hen wouldn't be able to give the TC gene to her daughters so they would only get a ino gene from the dad.

I remembered the oat just this morning and added a handful to the veggie mix. I didn't see anything left on the plate a moment ago when I said hello after work.

Opalesance that's the word I was trying to recall before

I got a clearbody out of a clutch that had Lucifer ( dilute grey spangle ) as the father and Shiloh ( opaline texas clearbody ) as the mother I was stating Lucifer has either the Ino or TC gene, matched to the TC hen means some TC babies appearing. I guess we should look at her again. Do you still have her? what does your club friends think she is?

Sounds like a great start.

There isn't a reason that he can't. Simply the odds again putting a clearbody hen to a male not known to be split clearbody are higher than putting a clearbody hen to a male not known to be split ino. There is no genetic reason that he can't be carrying the TC gene.

This is Marine (split opaline since he has produced two opaline hens): and feathers- it's hard to find a male these days not split for something.

The odds seem to be more in favour of carrying an ino gene than a clearbody and matching that split male to another clearbody. But as you know odds and percentages are only a guide with budgies. The only true way to knowing what gene he really has is breeding to a normal and getting either a Ino or Clearbody baby. Yes I do too just thought I better point out that fact. This is correct, again like the yellowface it only removed SOME of the pigment while an Ino gene remove all. One Ino gene matched with one TC gene (male) still leaves some pigments in place.

Yes becuase you need TWO gene to make a recessive gene show (making them all DF) If they only gene one gene then they are only split for the gene.

Marbles are used to replace eggs or to stop a hen sitting to tightly on a new born bubs (which can lead to splayed legs). If it's to replace egg I would remove them, the hen isn't going to worry with those mouths to feed.

Please remember there are TWO Clearbody gene. The Texas Clearbody ( the one most talk about also called Lime) is a PAR ino gene. Unlike a Ino gene that remove ALL pigment from the feathers the TC gene only removed some (like the yellowface gene) This means it works with a INO gene. ( as I have just noticed feathers has in her list ) It would be more likely he is carrying an Ino gene, but the only way to check that is with a breeding to a normal and getting an ino baby. The other gene is the Easley Clearbody, which removes the pigment more evenly from the body than a TC does. I have yet to dig into the inheritance's of this gene.

WOW! I'm glad she is doing okay.

it's there in the list Elly (unless it wasn't before)

My thoughts are: Ty is a cobalt normal, (don't think violet) Ava is a skyblue opaline, but possible cobalt Dawson looks like a goldenface skyblue recessive pied Theo is a yellowface skyblue opaline (might be cobalt it's a bit hard to tell in that shot) Maricruz is a Goldenface skyblue spangle Cinnamon is a cobalt cinnamonwing (I say cobalt since cinnamon dilutes the colour slightly and I don't see the aqua/green tint that skyblues get) I will do the colour lines tommorrow it's very late right now. okay here are the pics - the top line is sky blue, middle cobalt, bottom violet:

The mother (Ino) can only give an Ino gene to ALL her sons (this is her only X chromosome) meaning ALL males will be split Ino. The father is only split opaline and so some males may get the opaline gene (split) some will not. Cheeta is right the hen is a SF yellowface and is carrying one normal Whiteface gene, which has paired with the farther normal white face gene to give some WF babies. The DF yellowface gene (showing as white face) is only for the type 1 yellowface gene.

I got mine from a pet shop.

Sorry don't know a name or if it even has one. I think Nathan has the one like its (same size) but with only 1 door in the middle, a few here have them. This one cost me about $200 (AUD)

Some great advise put forth Welcome to the site Mandy. Do you know of an avian vet near you to take them to for check up?

Also 18 days is just the AVERAGE time it takes. Depending on how tight the hen sits can change the hatching length by a day or two.

Something like this can take 5 or 6 budgies there is four budgies in there here (trust me) I had a total of 6 before getting my aviary.