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No need to wait for someone to mention it PT. Jump right in and give it a shot. you are quie right about the book you mention which of course contains information based on the work Dr Duncker as well as Professors Crew and Lamy. It is an excellent book and worth putting into any budgie book collection. I sold my copy as I needed the money but I will be purchsing another to fill the hole. This copy as you rightly point out does not mention BES and the reason why is because this book is European based. They did not breed them there. They went off on a completely different tangent just as they have done with Greywings and Clearwings.

I tried to go further on my post but I just don't have time to explain tonight. Just been very busy and very tired and I don't think to well when I am tired. Give a couple of days and I'll try and write something up for you guys. GB....yes you can be a pain in the butt. After all the only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

Renee to breed Olives is not as simple as it seems. You said you have bred a Cobalt with a Light Green which in turn as given you some Dark Greens. What you are not aware of is that those Dark Greens you have produced if paired together will only give you a 6.020% chance of breeding an Olive Split for Blue and a .490% of breeding giving you a total of 6.510% visual Olives. Reason for this to do with the linkage that exists between the Dark and Blue Factors.

Congratulations on your :question: May you have many wonderful years together.

Roadkill...somebody mention Roadkill. Couple cats on the road early hours of this morning. ummm. Anybody for cat chicken chow mein. Vultures and similar birds who main job is to scavenge on dead and decaying carcasses have evolved over many thousands of years to deal with the associated problems that come from rotting corpses. They themselves have a mouth/beakful of nasty bacteria etc. Hey Dave I guess if your stuck and starving I reckon one would eat just about anything. What do you mean GB? What could go wrong? e. coli salmonella bovine encephalitistrichinosis the list goes on. It's why we are not supposed to eat undercooked meat and eggs.now, if you could provide them with freshly killed wild animals raw... :question: Bovine encephelitis also known as Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) has not made it's way to Australia as yet that I am aware of. The practices used here are slightly different to overseas. I believe our rules are stricker on what goes into cattle feed. In the UK when this first errupted it tooks ages to find the source. Turned out it was obtained from feeding meat meal in which Scrapie infected sheep had been used in the mixture. It is a horrible thing to watch the poor cattle suffer this disease. In humans it is known as Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD).

Pairing to a Greywing may not be the best course of action. If she is a 'true' show standard type Black Eye then she will be a Cinnamon Dilute. Cinnamon is not really the ideal thing to mix with Greywing. Although if you do use her all the young produced will be Greywings unless the Greywing cock is split for Dilute. All hens will be non Cinnamon and all cocks will be split for Cinnamon.

Is it possible you mis-heard? Or maybe the person selling you the bird had a slip of the tongue. The bird is a Dilute to use the correct term. In the show world that is a Black Eye Self. Generally to conform to the show standard the BES is a Cinnamon Dilute. Some of the educationally challenge (budgie wise) people have been know to use the term DEC in regards these birds. She is a fairly good example of this variety and you can always ship her over here.

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Absolutely flipping fantastic. :rofl: You have covered it very well indeed. The only thing to add is that when visual Violet GF or YF is produced the Violet factor coupled with the dark factor is far superior in reducing the amount of yellow pigment showing through when compared to a Sky Blue. Reason for this is the change in the feather structure itself cause by the Violet and Dark factor combined. Renee put enough food out to feed an army. Good on ya Renee.

Now didn't I tell ya it would get judged as a Dom and that the judge wouldn't even notice the lack of iris rings. Way to go Renee. :rofl: At least it generated discussion.

This is not really a joke but it is *** funny. Julie Andrews remember her...made the "Sound of Music" movie. Anyway if ya remember that far do you remember the song "My Favourite Things"? okay now if you are still with me. Using the words below to the tune of the Julie Andrews song above. Off ya go and sing away. In ya head please! Botox and nose drops and needles for knitting, Walkers and handrails and new dental fittings, Bundles of magazines tied up in string, These are a few of my favorite things. Cadillacs and cataracts, hearing aids and glasses, Polident and Fixodent and false teeth in glasses, Pacemakers, golf carts and porches with swings, These are a few of my favorite things. When the pipes leak, When the bones creak, When the knees go bad, I simply remember my favorite things, And then I don't feel so bad. Hot tea and crumpets and corn pads for bunions, No spicy hot food or food cooked with onions, Bathrobes and heating pads and hot meals they bring, These are a few of my favorite things. Back pain, confused brains and no need for sinnin', Thin bones and fractures and hair that is thinnin', And we won't mention our short shrunken frames, When we remember our favorite things. When the joints ache, When the hips break, When the eyes grow dim, Then I remember the great life I've had, And then I don't feel so bad.

DF Spangles are born with plum eyes. Add brownwing to the red eye category as the picture in my siggy shows.

It's at times like this where Im glad I now know how to AI a bird. I have only AI'd the one cock with a bad wing so far, but I have tested other cocks to see if they produce samples. I have had success with about 65-75% of my cocks over 1 year old and one under a year. Provided he produces a sample, this would be the perfect situation for AI - too good a cock to waste on a pairing, but if you have a dud cock that doesnt fill eggs but feeds well, and a good recessive hen - AI her to this mystery pied cock while you pair him with whoever you please and bing bang boom 2 sets of chicks! Hey Dean your on the ball with that suggestion mate. It is defiantely worth a shot. I never AI'd as I did not have too, but I know the theory. Kaz I am sure you are more than capable of learning this concept.

About time you showed yourself. Gonna give it a try on my setup ay. Does this mean your paying for it?

okay, had a really good look at this guy. He is one really super budgie! Very nice indeed. I would say there are two possibilities. 1. He is a combination of Australian Dominant Pied and Recessive Pied. He shows all features typical of a Dom Pied except lack of iris. 2. Although he is not a pied with minimal markings he shows lack of iris sometimes found in double factors pieds. Although it is rare to find both iris missing. It is possible that the pied gene has acted in this area. Breeding will of course solve the riddle but to be honest this bird is too good a Dom Pied to waste on a Recessive Pied pairing. In the end it is up to Kaz how she wishes to proceed.

Well it was a pleasure to stand in Kazza's aviary. The birds are happy and there are some wonderful looking youngsters there. Kazza took me verge collecting. Got some dowel for perches. I'll never be the same after that experience, it is always something I avoided. My youngest Brodie does enough for the family. I deeply appreciate the birds given to me and I will attempt to extract (nicely of course) all possible genetic material. Lets see where we end up. Kaz your a champ

Although I don't feed these pellets at the minute I did use to provide similar when last I was in the hobby. I came across a poultry mix completely different from the usual sold. I tweaked it a bit and provided it to my birds daily. One of the main ingredients was Lucerne also known as Alfalfa. Lucerne is widely used by livestock breeders but it is not fed in high concentrations. It is an extremely good source of calcium. I have always supplied yeast in the birds soft food. My only change over the years would be that I do not feed any Soy products. My original soft food mix base was Soy meal. Over the years there has been many studies on the phytoestrogens in Soy that have been for the most part negative in nature. I decided to discontinue it's use and change the mix. Before anybody asks for the receipe I don't have it. It was in my head and I sort of forgot it. I am going to have to work on it over time to try and remember the ingredients. As far a budgie pellets go. I don't use and never have used them. Vets with little or no knowledge of birds generally are the ones pushing there use.

Normal Green paired to a Lutino hen will give you 100% Normal Greens Cocks will be split Lutino and all hens will be Normal. No Blues can be produced unless both parents carry the Blue gene. If I am looking at the right pics. then your hen is also a Pied as your eldest chick is a Pied. I see no blue in the chicks. I think what you are seeing are the bluish coloured feathers on the rump and underneath the area near the tail. This is immature feather and they always show blue at this stage. When the bird moults these feathers will take on a stronger green appearance.

You do realise that any Clearwing cocks you produce will be split for Opaline.

Nice Opaline Dilute you got there. Looks like a Grey in the phots. Why would any one tell you that you would be better off to breed Greywing or Clearwings? Personally I would have thought you breed what you want and stuff what anybody thinks. If you decide not to breed with her you can always send her to me.

Do you want to share your calcium block recipe ? Might have a problem there. I have to try and remember it. I never wrote it down. I developed over some years. Lucky I still had some blocks left and that they don't go off. Nubbs got some off me so it would be interesting to hear what she reckons of them. Once I get some of this rubbish sorted out around the place I'll start to experiment again. Shouldn't take long to work it out.

Agree with DrNat there. I don't give iodine in water at all. I use Kelp as my iodine source which is one of the ingredients to my home made calcium blocks.

I have those balls for my birds. I attached them to chains and hang them of the bottom of the perching. I also throw them in the baby cages. They are great. Does yours have bells inside Kaz?

:question: :bump: :fear That is the funniest thing I have read for ages. You certainly did your homework. Only question I have is how did you pick the Kahlua? I have that on my list to take down. It is home made 40%. Hmmmmmm. okay I see I am going to have to remain sober tomorrow So, let me get this straight. When a chick is formed it inherits its features and Variation from its parents in the form of genes, specifically one allele per characteristic from each parent?When we talk about the sequence of dominance . ie. Green, YF, Blue, What is that group of genes called? Multiple alleles

Check out this link. It will show you a diagram of the air sacs which are an extension of the lungs in birds. http://www.bioweb.uncc.edu/Biol3233/bird%2...0air%20sacs.jpg