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You don't mentioned what variety your bird is. No. There are no clues to be had for a bird carrying Cinnamon. I would say what has happens is that the feather follicle may have been damaged and as a result it is not producing a fully functional feather. A fully functional feather in the normal budgie is black. The black is a pigment called Melanin. The chemical process involved to produce this pigment are subject to alterations along the way through mutation. One of these mutations is Cinnamon. If a process cannot complete its full set of genetic instructions it will cease production at the point to which the process was altered (mutated). Brown pigment is produced and on further instruction the final result will be black. Deposition of quantity and quality are carried out with another set of instructions. To produce one feather is a complicated affair and things do go wrong. Off Topic: I love your siggy.

I would so totally listen to this lady she knows what she is saying Awww shucks.

Your original photos showed a bird in baby feather. As I have already said in your other post these baby feather do not show the full depth of colour. Green youngsters will always show a degree of blue in the body feather. Your bird is NOT yellowface. It is a Cinnamon in either Dark Green or Olive. You correct on the tail in the wild birds, they do indeed have blue tails. If she had had a black tail she would have been a Grey Green. Cheek patches are a guide also, Violet in the Light, Dark, Olive Green and Sky, Cobalt and Mauve. Grey Greens and Greys have grey ones. Some varieties are white but I will not go into that on this thread.

Firstly the bird is in nest (baby) feather which never shows the full depth of colour. Secondly the bird is a Yellowface blue. Thirdly the one yellow feather is there because that is an adult feather! What has happened is that the bird has lost it's baby feather and regrown a new adult feather. This type of effect can be seen on birds when they are plucked in the nest as once the baby feather has been removed it will be replaced by an adult one.

Check this out guys. Naturally occuring melanistic mutation. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...-penguin-video/

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Green being the origianl mutation will not really get any benefit from the input of blues. The blue bird is simply a green bird with a non functional Psittacine yellow gene.

The word 'Rainbow' was coined by Keston Foreign Bird Farms who developed the combination of Opaline and Clearwing and they also used available 'yellowface' mutations of the day. Over time the Goldenface, Clearwing, Opaline combination has become the one most associated with the term 'Rainbow'. So when you use the term 'true' you must be aware of the subject matters history or you risk doing what many other do, diseminate false and misleading information. I think there is enough of that out there already. I have personally met Kelwyn some years ago when I took some birds over to show in South Australia. He is a good budgie breeder no doubting that, and I have heard many things, both good and bad, about him over the years but I found most of it untrue as it usually is. I found him to be a rather quite, reserved individual, but willing to discuss anything budgie. To my knowledge he is not a geneticist. As I said earlier they usually have quite a sprinkling of letters after their names which shows the degrees of education they would have to achieve to reach their final goal. Whilst I was visiting SA and doing the customary aviary visits I came across a pair of hens that Kelwyn had mis-identified. Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not having a go at Kelwyn, it is just something I see on a regular basis that some top breeders do not have variety recognition skills and and/or the genetic/colour develolpment skills in which to identify the seemingly out of the ordinary occourances. Seeing as you know genetic/colour,what was it that Kelwyn,misread the variety. be very interested,to know & a picture would help. I have been racking my brain for the past couple of days trying to remember what he said they were and I just can't remember. Now you just tweaked my memory by asking for photos. I did take a couple on the SLR. I'll will try and hunt them down later tonight, scan and post them. As I have already said, please don't take this as having a go at anybody cause I am not. The birds were Dilutes by the way and at the time it was quite common for a lot of people to make the same mistake regardless of their position within the hobby. Dilutes still cause problems even today. A Picture was posted on another forum of a beautful Dilute Cobalt. A prominent fancier and breeder of National Level distinction labeled it as a 'Greywing Dilute'. The bird is either a Greywing or a Dilute not a composite of both, as Greywing is dominant over Dilute.

That I am Jimmy, that I am. I'm not confused!

Yes Jimmy Australian Yellowface is the same as Goldenface. It depends on who you talk too and where they live. I don't mind either term myself but if I was nailed down to pick I would have to lean towards Goldenface for the show arena and genetically I would go with Par-blue.

The word 'Rainbow' was coined by Keston Foreign Bird Farms who developed the combination of Opaline and Clearwing and they also used available 'yellowface' mutations of the day. Over time the Goldenface, Clearwing, Opaline combination has become the one most associated with the term 'Rainbow'. So when you use the term 'true' you must be aware of the subject matters history or you risk doing what many other do, diseminate false and misleading information. I think there is enough of that out there already. I have personally met Kelwyn some years ago when I took some birds over to show in South Australia. He is a good budgie breeder no doubting that, and I have heard many things, both good and bad, about him over the years but I found most of it untrue as it usually is. I found him to be a rather quite, reserved individual, but willing to discuss anything budgie. To my knowledge he is not a geneticist. As I said earlier they usually have quite a sprinkling of letters after their names which shows the degrees of education they would have to achieve to reach their final goal. Whilst I was visiting SA and doing the customary aviary visits I came across a pair of hens that Kelwyn had mis-identified. Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not having a go at Kelwyn, it is just something I see on a regular basis that some top breeders do not have variety recognition skills and and/or the genetic/colour develolpment skills in which to identify the seemingly out of the ordinary occourances.

The photo appears to be that of a double factored Goldenface Cobalt (Australian Yellowface). What were the parents of this bird and siblings like it? Do you have photos of them?

Once a geneticist always a geneticist. You can retire from activley participating but you are always genticist. Does he have a sprinkling of letters after his name? Being a geneticist is one thing but one must also know how colour is produced in budgies as well. He obviously does not know how colour is produced or he would not be claiming to have a 'pink' budgie. Like Kaz says....photos will prove it. Many times over the years 'pink' budgies have claimed to be bred. All so far have turned out to be fake. If a 'pink' budgie, by some absolute micracle, were to be bred the owner would have a most valuable bird indeed. Since the mechanisim required for the budgie to produce pink was rendered redundant through thousands of years of evolution it would take a miracle for it to be activated once again. Too many changes in the feather structure would need to be in place for it to occour. Any change in any organisim is not simply a matter of turning on or off genes as one would a light bulb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Audvmd0FdZQ

Well she certainly ran a good race in a time of 1:11:16. She ran the fastest time over the last 600m of 00:33:56 and won by a long neck. Here is the photo finish.

GB a DF Recessive Pied is a visual Recessive Pied i.e. it carries two genes for Recessive Pied. The split could be considered a SF Recessive Pied. Just my rant here. I don't know where it started, but using the term 'Clearflight' in regards to Australian Dominant Pieds is confusing. Clearflight is and has been used for a good many years, exisited within the name 'Continental Clearflight' which is an alternative name for the Dutch Pied. The orignal name for the Dutch Pied was 'Continental Clearflight' and was so named as it emerged on the Continent (Europe). You must remember back then England was the hub of budgerigar activity an as such a central point by which all subsqent mutation occurance was measured. When talking about Australian Dominant Pieds names such as Flighted, Banded, Dominant come to mind. Nubbly mentioned earlier that a bird could be a df Aussie Pied, df Dutch Pied and a df visual Danish i.e Recessive Pied all at once. What would a bird like this look like? Well based on current knowledge it would most likely be a Dark Eyed Clear that is masking (Phenotype not geneotype in sf or df form) Australian Dominant Pied. I have seen, albeit a few examples of Australian Dom Pied x Dutch Pied indiviuals I have yet to see the aforementioned composite of all three. If somebody wishes to prove that a certain example exisits they must also be able to show irrefutable evidence that the bird is indeed a mixture of pied types. Neville posted some comination pied types. I have looked at these pics and the evidence (pedigrees) supplied but as I look at things in a more indepth nature than most I find that the evidence is flawed. When a scientist proposes an experiment to prove or disprove a theory he/she sets out to make sure that the evidence must be plausible and above all must not be able to be pulled apart and eventually found to have holes in it. If this happens the evidence is flawed and so the results come into question. When previously in the hobby I bred all the pied types. Dutch Pieds are extremely variable in their markings. Phoeobe's partner appears to be a Dutch Pied. Phoebe herself a Dominant Pied. Both appear to be single factor. Now the resulting offspring, in respect to pied types, can be.....Australian Dominant Pied; Dutch Pied; combination Australian and Dutch Pied types in a variance of markings. This marking variance is the result of reaction by alleles controlling the various mechanisms involved in creating and controlling the 'pied' pattern. As for double factors. Well in Australian Dominant Pieds there is a tendency for a double factored individual to be pocess a greater 'pied' area than a single factored bird. This is also true in other lifeforms and in fact in some animals (horses is an example) lethal. In Dutch Pieds this tendency appears not to exist. The years I was breeding them I found great variability in 'pied' markings. Although the two pied types of Dutch (Lucistic) and the Danish (Anti-dimorphic) being different types when placed together form another invidual completely different from its parents. I have included as couple of links. The Dutch Pieds are quite similar yet one is single factor, the other a double. The Mauve is the sire of the Olive. The Australian Dominant picture serves to show that in this 'pied' type there are exceptions. He is NOT a double factor. His parents where a Dom Pied and a Normal. In fact he went on to breed Dom Pieds with less markings than himself. single factor Dutch Pied double factor Dutch Pied single factor Australian Dominant Pied......look how pied out he is

:hap: Chikky won her race today!

Woo Hoo! Tish has arrived!

I am no spring chicken and have been driving for a number of years now. I hold a MC license and have driven trucks with 18 road ranger and 18 and 16 syncro gearboxes and 6 speed auto HR. In town the only time you get to the top gear is on the main highways if ya lucky and it also depends on load size and weight. I drive a 5 speed manual V8 and in town I only use 5th once I have reached 80 ks/hr or around the 2000 rpm mark. I have driven a lot of cars over the years as I use to work in the car detailing industry. Recently I drove a 1L for a guy, this car also has only 3 cylinders and not power what so ever. I found I had to change down frequently even when cornering. Personally not my sort of car. As corka as already mentioned. Listen to the motor it will tell you when to change. If you have a taco you can watch that and it will guide you.

The size that a budgie reaches is genetic. It is inherited from its parents and their ancestors. Good nutrition starting from the point of conception through to fledging serves to ensure the bird reaches its genetic potential for size.

Damn you gremlins go pick on some one your own size!

I posted a link to this site ages ago but it never showed up on here.

Gee this thread got away from me. Glad somebody posted to bump it up again. See your doing well there Amy. Keep up the good work. Sorry I havn't caught up with you I have been flat out paving shed and revamping breeding cabinets.

It's a Clearwing Light Green.

You could try looking for a CAD program such as AutoCAD. Some are quite expensive though. Google around the web and see if you can pick up a freebie or a demo version.