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Nyaree was also featured in the Kalgoorlie Miner. I have the article and picture but no time to post till maybe Thursday.

well if he looks olive and has deep purple patches hes most probbly a violet dark green but send picture i will tell you my opinion Nestmates ( siblings ) were violets. :laughter: When you say the nestmates were Violets do you mean Visual Violet or Violet Greens? Oh and by the way your Violet must be split Oplaine to produce an Oplaine cock.

The figures are correct but from what you have written it is appearing that you are saying 75% of the progeny are visual Violets. In fact if the birds are both Violet Sky then all young produced are Sky or Violet Sky. There will be no visual Violets produced. A visual Violet is a Cobalt with the Violet gene in either single or double factor.

You have no idea how many results are possible without knowing the full parentage. The hen split for blue raises the question is she a Type I or Type II Dark Green/Blue. Do you know her parents? The cock, same question is he Type I or Type II Dark Green/Blue. We know the father is Violet but what was the mother? The Blue and Dark Factors are linked and this change the results. I did a quick calculation based on this pairing - Dominant Pied Opaline Dark Green/Blue Type II cock x Dark Green/Blue Type I hen. I am only guess on the Blue Type I and II based on the info supplied and what breeders generally have in their aviaries. There are 40 possiblities. If I then factor in the Violet and/or the possible split Ino and Cinnamon the possibilities rise again. Mother was opaline dark green dom pied. I did have a quick look with the mother in the picture and assuming the Ino and Cinnamon are on different chromosomes the computation is 128 possibilities of which the cock is one of them. I will take a look at it again tomorrow. The computer is having a dummy spit so I am going to close it down for the night.

I agree with Dean here. Don't forget peoples this bird is still in nest feather! It makes a difference. The real colour will be evident after the moult. For now thOUGH I reckon it is a Cobalt.

You have no idea how many results are possible without knowing the full parentage. The hen split for blue raises the question is she a Type I or Type II Dark Green/Blue. Do you know her parents? The cock, same question is he Type I or Type II Dark Green/Blue. We know the father is Violet but what was the mother? The Blue and Dark Factors are linked and this change the results. I did a quick calculation based on this pairing - Dominant Pied Opaline Dark Green/Blue Type II cock x Dark Green/Blue Type I hen. I am only guess on the Blue Type I and II based on the info supplied and what breeders generally have in their aviaries. There are 40 possiblities. If I then factor in the Violet and/or the possible split Ino and Cinnamon the possibilities rise again.

Yeah Dave, completely understand the reason for removal. Have no problems with it at all. As with most things the intentions are sincere. Few people are aware of laws and most don't think to check if something is correct or not. I am the sort of person who never takes what is said as gospel, I am just not that gullible. I always check things out and over the years have collected legal requirements on many subjects.

I did some digging into copyright law some time ago for reasons best left off this forum. It seems that copyright is not infringed if the information is for educational purposes only. Copyright is infringed when it is sold with intention to make money. There are also different copyright laws affecting different areas i.e interlectual, musical, artistical. I would dare say that if the ANBC were contacted I don't see why they could not allow you to reprint for this forum. Kaz has provided a link and may be sufficient anyhow.

Im with Dave and Dean on this. To many people are too quick to label a bird a new mutation. Generally they have a little to no understanding of genetics of colour. I already mentioned this on another thread but I will say it again here. I bred a hen back in the 80's with a black head and neck. She was hatched a completley looking normal Opaline Light Green. On her first moult she produced an abundance of black feather. Back then I gave my birds more sunflower seed than I do now and she may well have been one of those birds that likes one seed far too much and gorged herself on it. As she did she was producing new feathers which at this time. The oils in the sunflower can enhance colour to a certain degree. Opalines are a melanin distribution gene and over time what made them attractive has been lost in favour of the show bench. The result is the extra melanin that is now produced and in some individuals to such an extent that some birds appear to have spots on their heads. If enough spots join up (feathers overlap each other) it would appear as a solid area of black. The one thing I have always noticed about these birds pospping up is 1. they are Opalines and 2. they are always hens. I have yet to see a cock bird present with this phenomenon. Could there be some hormonal influence going on here also?

Glad to hear your parents are letting you keep them for a bit longer. I have marked in your picture the points of interest. Remember as I said the bird is in baby feather and any abnormalities generally dissappear when the bird moults. I have recieved the reply from my budgie buddy and as I said he pretty much said the same as I did but he did add a little extra info. Sharon, I had something similar two years ago. I had two nestmate sisters with green tails. They turned much more blue after the moult. My birds were bred from Dusk birds. These two birds were either ordinary dark greens or possibly (unproven guess) Dusk Light Green. Some opalines have pale tails with more green or yellow than they ought. As this bird is obviously visually Normal, I wonder if it might be a split Opaline Cock. I suspect it is merely a light green Normal with a modifier, but if it retains the strong green into adulthood it might be worth playing with to see if it reproducible. Ken Yorke As the Dusk mutation is one that I have not personally had experience with I cannot answer any question re that mutation. I am waiting on more info re the Dusk mutation. Lets look at some facts for your 'green tail' budgie. 1. It is, at this stage, not proven to be a new mutation so don't get too excited just yet. 2. New mutation price tags. ANY bird, new mutation or otherwise, is worth ONLY what some one wishes to pay for it. In days gone by (late 1800's - mid 1930's) any new mutation that emerged was indeed a sight to behold and indeed had the fanciers of the day deeply interested. It was a different atmosphere to that of today. Only a handful of people in budgiedom have that level of interest today. Sadly the show bench dictates worth and availability in quantity of mutations. 3. Should, your bird be a new mutation it appears at this stage to be a modifier type only similar to Darkwing. Darkwings can only be seen on certain varieties and on others like a Normal Light Green for example just doesn't show up at all, even in double factored form. 4. Any variation to the norm should always be kept, if possible, to ensure it does not just dissappear. I always wonder how many budgies (or other birds) have been disposed of and the breeder was completely unaware of a slight deviation from the normal appearance. I bred a bird some years ago that was different. I will try and get all the photos (although they weren't that good) together and put a post about them and what steps I took to figure out what it was and how I proceeded to breed more and eventually there demise. I have been rather busy lately so havn't had much time to get on here. So be patient

I would be very interested to find out how you could force particular cocks and hens to pair up in a colony breeding set up... And whats a Stargazer, Faded, Dusk and a Polydactyl??? Stargazer = A bird with a nervous disorder which tends to find itself when perched looking up at the sky. I possibly have one here currently and I had them some years ago within the Faded variety. Faded = This is a trait where by the melanin content in all feather and tissue is reduced at the same level. I bred these birds before and when I can I will be taking them back up. Dusk = Very rare. Can't give you much information on them. Read What Ken has to say or go to the MUTAVI website. Inte Onsman has a little bit about them there. Polydactyl = An organisim with more than the orignal quota of digits i.e. toes, budgies have four but sometimes they can have five or more on one foot or both. Sometimes this is a spontanous mutation due to injury during meosis or it can be hereditary in nature.

im confuzzed are their two yellow birds as lacewings have pink eyes if the yellow bird has black eyes yet is cinnamon well i be honest i have noclue my guess is though a very bad suffused black eye clear ??? GB I am now confused too. Lets go skip down the garden path together to the bottom of the garden and go talk to the fairies. The original photos didn't help. Too small. Too many of same bird. I will have to go back and have a another look. Just very busy at the minute in my shed. Having a big big cleanup. :glare: Just for JB.......The circus called they want their clown back. :rofl: Your a legend in your own life time buddy. :bow:

Got your PM Ratzy. First things first. Chubba Chubs is still a baby. The feathering on baby budgies is immature and can often lack the full depth of colour that is found in adult budgies. It is not uncommon to find faults in tails, flight feathers or even body feathers in immature feather, but upon moulting it all dissappears. The chance of this being a new mutation, although rare, is not impossible. People have mentioned to keep all siblings and parents. This line of thinking is correct if you follow the 'new mutation' theory. I sent a copy of your picture to a budgie buddy of mine but expect to get a reply similar to what I have already said. He if comes up with anything different I will post it on this thread. Over the years I have received birds from people with various feather abnormalities. They all turned out to be normal after a moult. I myself bred a hen many years ago...an Opaline Light Green.....she went through a moult and the feathers around the neck and facial region was around 90% black instead of being 100% green. This hen was approx 18 months old. Culprit turned out to be too many sunflower seeds consumed during the feather regowing stage so when the new feathers emerged they had had a larger than normal deposition of melanin. Next moult, no sunflower, back to looking like a normal Opaline. Just getting back to your bird for a sec. I did notice that the secondary tail feathers appear not quite as they should or it could be the photo. Sometimes there can be tricks with lights and cameras. Time will tell.

After all that is seems you have a double factor Spangle single factor Goldenface Opaline Greywing Recessive Pied and an Opaline Lacewing The Lacewing is a combination of Ino and Cinnamon. It is produced when the genes for ino and cinnmon crossover onto the same sex chromosome.

Ratzy, did you breed this bird?

Texas Clearbody is an allele of ino and as such is sex linked recessive. Another term used for this allelic occurance is 'par-ino'.

A dark green has one dark factor. It is the Olive that has two.

Oh My God!!!!! She won. AGAIN. :dbb1: :baby: That's two in a row. Shaun rode a great race on her. She jumped beautifully and he quickly settled her into second last (9th) position. Got to admit got a bit worried at this point. Come round the turn and as they start to bunch up for the run home he moved her to the outside, keeping in touch all the time. When he made his move she just flew home covering the last 600m 34.07 seconds, the next fastest last 600m was the 3rd place getter at 35.02 sec. Now here is the good bit. She broke the track record for 1200m that has stood for 20 years! Previous record was 1.10.00 she did it in 1.09.88. There was a guy who came up to us after the race ( we think he was the track super) who was gobbsmacked. He told us that when the record was set the track surface use to be maintained a bit like a bowling green, short grassed and firmer surface. These days the grass is left longer making it a more dense surface which creates a bit more drag and it was looking like no-one was gonna break that record. Till our little girl came along! And you know what? She is such a little thing compared to some of the horses she races against. Her career stats are now looking good. 9 starts for 3 wins; 0 seconds; 1 third. As they pay to 4th place in races she has brought home the bacon 6 out of 9 times. Thats pretty good. Biggest hiccup was the jockey, which I reckon has now been proven beyound a show of the doubt that Alan Kennedy just didn't suit her. Shaun rides her superbly and I told him yesterday he can ride her every time. He has a style that suits her and brings out her best. Two rides-two wins, can't get better than that! Adam the trainer, well he ain't admitting anything re jockeys so well just leave that there and see whats happens when Kennedy comes back from his suspension. So here is the link to the race result. http://www.rwwa.com.au/cris/raceresults.as...4687&race=5 If you click on the link Photo Finish it will show you the photos taken on the day. On the 600m photo she second last. Jockey was wearing the emergency colours of the BTC, Yellow as the silks from previous race somehow ended up with Kennedy and he is off in Bali I think it was. The finish photo is self explanatary. For those who are having a blonde moment......she is the one passing the winning post in FIRST position!

Bundaberg....home of Bundy R Bear. The origin of my preferred alcholic beverage. I so want to visit the distillery. They do make Ginger Beer there too. Sorry I digress. Back on topic. I have a vet friend who lives in Geraldton. About 5 hours drive north of Perth (Western Australia).

Chikky is racing again tomorrow (1st April 2010) Bunbury. Link to CRIS for Race Field. http://www.rwwa.com.au/cris/racefield.aspx...4687&race=5

Dr Harry for those who are unaware of his history use to breed show budgies for quite some years. If my memory hasn't completely failed me I think one of the varieties he bred were Clearwings. The video was interesting. It seems the hen has already bred in such a small cage that I would not consider ideal to house a budgie in long term. It does dissappiont me that Dr Harry did not encourage them to find a better solution, maybe a small backyard aviary instead. He did not address the obvious over-crowding issue. Keep in mind that videos such as this have been produced for the TV show. There may well have been other discussions off camera. Also don't forget the birds came from somewhere in the first place. Maybe a breeder or a pet shop. These people may not have got adequate advice in the first place.

I possess an extremely dark Grey Green. I know by the depth of colour he is not a no dark factor or in other words Light Grey Green. I suspect he is either a Dark Grey Green (1 dark factor) or an Olive Grey Green (2 dark factors). There is also the possibilitiy of Violet being present. I did not buy this bird so he is unknown quantity. He is paired to a Cinnamon Dilute Light Green (BES). This pairing will result in all green offspring spring for Dilute, unless of course they are both split for blue but this is of no concern anyhow. Depending upon results I will have a good idea of what this bird is carrying.

Already been said it was a cinnamonwing. Ah yes your right Kaz. Teach me to read it properly next time.

A Dilute Sky Blue could also be considered 'pastel'.

So I am not the only with a weird passion for skeletons. Don't have many left anymore just a steer head next to front door, 1 goat and a couple of rams skulls. I have a horses' hoof that I use as a paper weight. Use to have horses, dogs, cats, roos, lizard heads, full fox skeleton....you get the drift. Gee now I'm digressing. Small skeletons like mice have the most fragile small bones that are so easy to miss/lose. You need to scope up skeleton with dirt and put through a fine sieve. As for cleaning the professional use boiling techniques for large bones but is messy and smelling. Ants do a marvelous job but can walk off with the smaller bones. Dermastid beetles are frequently used in museums. These can sometimes be found in bird rooms within nest boxes. They are found in the wild in nesting areas or areas like caves (under the guano (bat poo)) where they feed on dead animals. They are natures little clean up crew.