Daz

okay okay I gave in. I really had a good look t the program and I liked it so much I bought the full one..... :hap: Now I am running two programs :hap:

Nerwens right. I was thinking that fallows where sex linked but they're not. :hap:

Leave them for 28 days. I hate this decission.. do I or don't I take them out :hap: . it's better than calling a cat Daz..... where is Lin ?? :hap:

Thats okay Nerwen,you know I am the same, I don't want to stress the birds at all. I want to try something. I have been told that the eggs can be kept for some time in a cool dry location and be okay to put under another hen. As I have set a number of pairs, i'll wait until one starts to lay and then place the egg there. I'll keep everyone up to date on want happens. :ausb:

Those that do it are usually "in the fancy" (Breeding For Show). They do study the lines and the heritage of the birds they breed and are prepared to pay thousands of dollars for the birds. The members of the Australian National Budgerigar Council and the World Budgerigar Organisation and the other Associations around the worl really could not be called a handful of people. Should someone inbreed or not? Thats not up to me to say. Is there any benifit to the birds? A Man by the name of Joe Mannes has been breeding Budgerigars for decades and has bred into his birds not only looks and power but longertivity. Is there a benifit...possibly. Well man has done this to many animals. Chickens, cows, horses, pigs, ........... We alter nature to suit our wants and needs. I'm not going to say if it is good or bad. That's up to the indervidual. Male is a spangle Chicks should be normals and Spangles all split to fallow.

Is line breeding inbreed? Yes! What is line breeding and what does it mean??? WOW a contriversal topic. Is it? I think so. ...and who would do it? Well 99.9% of all breeders for show line breed. All of the budgerigars outside of Australia have been line bred. How can I say this. Well 100 years ago Australia stopped exporting Budgerigars to the world. To supply budgerigars for sale, those with the stocks started to inbreed for the demand from the public. During the second world war brittain was in short supply of food for the public let alone the seed for the birds. Many other europien countries were the same. Many birds were killed so that the few could survive. After the war the stocks had to be brought back. England couldn't get birds from Australia and were forced to inbreed but decide to have a very good look into how to go about it. By selectively pairing the birds they found a way to strength and improve on the structure of the bird. right down to the health. Mean while in other parts of the world they were also looking down the same line. Germany was also inbreeding for improvement. So how is it done. (Generally) Cock X Hen A .................... Hen B 1st year mating Chicks .................... Chicks Cock .... Hen ...................Cock .... Hen Cock .... Hen ...................Cock .... Hen Cock .... Hen ...................Cock .... Hen Cock .... Hen ...................Cock .... Hen 2nd Year Cocks from pairing of Cock x and Hen A are mated to Hens of pairing Cock X to Hen B Hens from pairing of Cock x and Hen A are mated to Cocks of pairing Cock X to Hen B (Half Brother to Half Sister) 3rd Year Hens from the result are breed back to Cock X Grandfather to Grand Daughter. This is assuming that Cock X has really great features to start with. Chicks from the 1st year mating will have half his genes and half from the hen. Chicks from the 2nd year mating will only have a quarter of his genes. Chicks from the 3rd year will have 75% his genes. This mating was ment to strength the strain...his strain....his line. Other Combinations are Uncle to Neice, Aunt to Nephew, Cousin to Cousin. The idea is to enhanse the features of the bird. Features also being health and fertility. besides the looks. There are not many that breed brother to sister but it does occur. This topic is in no way meant to promote line breeding but to explain how and why.

Thanks Bubbles I added it to my collection :hap:

I agree with Lady and Rainbow. The others will compete and fight.

Probibly a full life Terri.

She's not 4 months old yet. No irus ring and still has some head banding. How long have you had her?

.........nerwen guess what????? She laid another egg.... :hap: Let me know if you want it. :hap:

she is very ready to breed. I would pair up before this stage. Just as her cere is tan.

The hen was about to go for her 4th clutch. Clutch 1 6 eggs threw them all out. Clutch 2 6 eggs two hatched Clutch 3 7 eggs she raised 4 chicks - that was enough. I took the nest box away but she laid two more eggs. the first I didn't see and broke it while cleaning the cage. The second I took out and gain to Nerwen. All the best with it.

Thanks Nerwen, I got it. Very Interesting. I remember that post too now.

One thing to mention is that if you are going to foster eggs, make sure it is at the beginning or at the end of the incubation period. Some hens sit differently to others and this will effect the chicks if half developed. A hen that sits tighter will heat up the eggs more.

Can we have some defferent photos of the back in close up please

Yellowface Opaline Violet Spangle and a skyblue spangle. I realy guessed the first colour. He could be cobalt.

Well done Cheeta. The Melanistic Spangle. The tail did give it away. Bubbles I haven't recieved that article. Could you sent it to me.?

The tail feathers are there. You could call them clear. Sorry Bubble but it not a dusk budgie.

I came across this Budgie at the last Club Meeting. Had me beat. Ever type I thought of was wrong. Let's See you can guess it.

One of my water managements is to fee the birds 1 teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinague to 1 litre of water. This is supposed to help surpress mega. (Avian Yeast Desease)

Way to go Kirby... Start the count down and Don't handle the eggs to much. The bateria on your fingers can get into the baby chick as the egg shell is pourous.

There is a "maichine" you can get or make that will remove the old husks and rubbish from the seed for reuse. I am trying to remember the name... its like whinner or something like that. You can make one that you vacuum works with..

Well done Kirby. I like the idea you have of the nest box card. Here is one I use. Card

It sounds like she is getting the nest box ready and as for the chewing, she is in condition. If she has a mate you should see the first egg very soon. Approximately 9 days from when she get really interested in the nest box.