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hopefully she will stop or you may have to try what Robin did with Lupren injections? You may want to cut down her daylight hours if you can too that may help too.

What do you mean by tame? There are different levels of tame. I believe when you have 4 birds all together and a couple of them are not tame you are going to have to realize that at this point you want them to accept you as part of the flock. If you are looking for follow me around tame, kissy tame, talking tame it will be nearly impossible to acheive that with 4 budgies all together especially if you have 2 that are already older and not very tamed. Millet is a great resource for gaining trust and that is where you will have to work first on. Use the younger ones as your tools for the older ones to start trusting you. We also have a great taming guide in the FAQ that can give you more ideas .

that is my exact cage too I love it. I have different type of perches such as natural ones from our maple tree that I cut long enough and then layed them inside and they go longwise so he can fly back and forth. I also have a rope one and a calcium perch. I make the perches at different levels so but they are all located on the sides from longwise to shortwise so Merlin can fly from perch to perch. He loves that. He also has a swing in the front corner and a another high perch that is short up in the top corner in the front where he can go up on if he choses. I hang the toys from the different perches but because the cage is big don't overload with toys. Giving your birds 4 toys and rotating is good. They usually become attached to a certain toy so rotating every couple weeks and changing your perches around every couple months is a great idea. I just do it when I do a whole cage clean. I also left the stand in there and put his food on there instead of in the sides (that is just me though). He loves to walk on it and play with his ball.

Good comment raw potatos are on the unsafe food list I believe.

pet budgies are usually around average of 35-40grams show budgies (exhibition or english) are around 45g- 55g give or take I am sure

they all look handsome I love the look after they are completely finished molting

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what wonderful pics I love them especially when they cock their heads and look at the camera :bluebudgie:

he/she sounds cute can't wait to see pics in our FAQ is a wonderful article about taming too to give you some ideas :bluebudgie:

Congrats and always remember to quarantine too for 30 days :bluebudgie:

Raw veggies washed well is always best because it hold more nutrients and budgies tend not to like mush (but when they are used to it will eat it I know). You can cook it if you want also. Either way is fine.

Quarantine him for 30 days at least. I would suggest taking him to your avian vet to check him out, especially his beak. It could be an overbite or it may need to be trimmed to help him out. Congrats :bluebudgie:, would love to see pics.

they look wondeful, congrats

Daz, is it said that way because it is a sex-linked gene and the male needs 2 of them to visually express this gene vs a female that only needs 1 sex-linked gene to express the gene?

I have followed this post with the ups and downs and my heart is breaking for you right because I have been there. I wish I could give you a real hug but here is a virtual one. You did so much for Lukie and he loves you so much for it. Tears stream down my eyes because when I read posts like your Vonn it make me know that there are such good people out there that truly LOVE their pets with their whole heart and souls like you and your husband. Know your are both in my thoughts sweetie. RIP Lukie give Pretty a kiss for me we miss him so much

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Oh gosh Vonn, my heart is breaking for you. You and your husband love this little guy so much and I know you are going to do what is best for him. You are both amazing.

Nice to met you

I would ask how many birds they see on a daily basis. We have a bird hospital by us and they see 5 to 10 birds a day this will show you how knowledgable they really are about avian medicine. Also when I was leaving there was a bird coming in so I know they were not pulling my leg. They also had everything written up on what to expect on a general exam for a bird etc...

you are correct

You would ONLY have a chance of a creamino if the one of the birds is a double factor yellow face type I where the face shows up white in the ino but it is really a df yellow face. Very small chance though. Nerwen or someone can correct me if I am incorrect.

I would suggest parent raising as everyone else did above it is better for the chicks. If you want them to be used to humans then handling them 2-3x a day for 10 mins each time is going to create a well rounded bird and a healthy one.

They are gorgeous and I love Nerwen's suggest Mac and then Roni that is just too cute

A suffusion of the body color is slightly visible in the body feathers. The markings of the head, wings, and tail show up as a light cinnamon color and the cheek patches are pale violet. The eyes are red/pink, and the cere of the male lacewing does not change normally. Adult male lacewings have purple ceres. Adult female lacewings have the normal white/tan/brown ceres.I would say lacewing http://www.budgieplace.com/c_lacewing.htmlCongrats he is gorgeous

Oh gosh I am so sorry, BIG VIRTUAL HUGS to you and Lukie