*Nerwen*

Yep trust your self a bit more next time Emma. I agree with your 'yellow' girl as being a grey-green TBC. TBC is a par ino gene, in more simple terms (i hope) it only partly works. It removes the colour from the body as the ino gene would removed from all over the bird. which is why you have the yellow body. this picture shows a faint grey-green tone in the feathers (where you would find the normal feather colour on a TBC if at all) and a black tail from the start (base) if it was green there would be an olive tint to the tail. As stated before not Opaline in this case as the wing feathers are not green - they are not affected by the TBC gene. Yes this is one of the exceptions Pearce spoke of above

can someone show me this? my yellowface TBC still has a blue tail, i can find a few online shots also showing blue tails for green tbc's. Only reason i'm questioning this is becuase i don't recall any comments about tbc having black tails only...and yes i've read a lot of genetics. not saying i can't learn something new but i've not found the evidance to proove what you and others are saying. I believe I was wrong about the tail colour........It was the tail QUILLS that are are black Yes Kaz I would agree with the black Quills

can someone show me this? my yellowface TBC still has a blue tail, i can find a few online shots also showing blue tails for green tbc's. Only reason i'm questioning this is becuase i don't recall any comments about tbc having black tails only...and yes i've read a lot of genetics. not saying i can't learn something new but i've not found the evidance to proove what you and others are saying.

If you think it is a texas clearbody than it is. I am no expert Im just saying what I think it is. i think we are all happy with texas clearbody, just having issue with the colour of her.

doesn't help when the teachers don't agree you have picked two great birds, i would love to have both of them.

I can't see why the clearbody gene would affect the tail colouring to determine grey-green or green, it affects both the body and flight feathers but from all i've ever read and understood not any other areas. Yes if it was a pied then the tail judgement is lost as it turns yellow but with the TBC it will still show black for grey-green or blue for Olive she isn't opaline. She looks it due to the normal body colouring being removed (as it seems as if the body and wings are the same colour) but an opaline would show the normal body colour (if the TBC gene wasn't in affect)

no they look blue grey to me a sign of grey-green. tell us the colour of the tail this is a normal grey green and a normal green

cool, bidding is closed, did they infact change it??

first is a violet the second is a clearbody.

the pied marks are always random and it is only a guide. but mostly the Double factors only have colouring on their rump area like a recessive pied. Pie -sf pied (produced normals so he isn't df) Ringo - Sf as well offspring of Pie (she hated letting me get a frontal shot of her)

hope all the people trying to help with the correct answers over there are remembering to VOTE! better to get a message across if they see the same sort of answers marked as the BEST. and a hint you can vote your own answer

lol, i'm now prepared for a flood of comments

there is yellow on the wings becuase the type of YF you are working with is the type 2 gene. Ringo - yellowface Dominante pied. even on a green pied (rec) they are white: why is this? well on a normal patterned wing the flights are only ever white and black, so with the pied gene it removed the black leaving white wings. and I agree with the other comments only the oldest bub is a df pied.

nice trick Liv.. a bit like the suger water in a tall jar to kill cockies.

sorry to hear this..one chick I hope he has siblings as well to keep with the bloodline

so cute.

:doh: and i read over just for that reason....but at least people could still work out what was meant.

yeah i read that answer and rolled my eyes. in regards to your girl Daniel you will know for sure what she is once she has had her first big moult when she gets her adult feathers (brighter and tail is longer) about then she should devolope the white iris rings if she is a Double Factor Spangle, if not then she is a DEC

yes a yellowface type 2 the fact that the yellow as bled into the chest feathers proves that, a type 1 would have no bleeding of all into the body. as the bird ages you could get more of the yellow appearing in the body feathers.

glad you are here now so you can find HEAPS of good help.

oh the spelling .... some question you can't even figure out due to the mix of text words and different words that arn't meant to be there. ie - When freight is dried, and has stuck to the beak. Freight?? what in the world is that and why are you feeding it to your bird?

13 chicks, cool. have you just started a breeding round this year or finishing up shortly?

wish you all the luck Kaz

so 'she' could be around 8 months old then and may start proving her gender now. the bossiness you spoke of in the behaviour sounds like a hen. I would have been expecting a change in cere colour from about 4 months of age onwards (usally from a pet store the birds are from 3 months or older) some can take a while to change.. has she had a BIG moult yet? - lots of feathers lost and the new one looking much stronger in colour. thinking of the age of about 8 months i think she could be a he

Please explain ? well that will learn me to post when sleepy. I've read the topic fully this time and have realised that breeding to correct posture is possible, which is what my question was refering to.