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nice price :ausb: I got mine for $50 at a pet shop I like. But now I have a really big one for my six. Violet greywing does sound nice, and good luck finding it again. That is the reason most get a second bird to give the first company, and I must say it's great watching a couple of budgie talk and play and do birdy things all day.

you wanta know the funny thing. It's easier to think of Jangles as girl!!! I went to talk tot he the other day and Miss slipped out and it just...fitted, seemed right. SO I guess I had a feeling for a long time that he was in fact a she. Oh well Just as well since Ringo hate Jangles Time to go on the look out again for another match for Ringo, before her and her ma fight over Pie again :ausb:

that sounds like a great size cage, i think about the same as my old one. Oooh just saw the picture :ausb: It's the same style as my old one but with a different door. Yes that would fit two nicely. So your still thinking of a friend for her? When you get two the spend more time with each other than you. (just a warning )

yeah, mine climbed all over theirs and chewed the top of it

lutino removes the grey(blue), black and browns from the bird leaving the yellow in place. Ino is the term used for the gene when not meaning either lutino or albino. The blue gene removes the yellow from the feather. Matching the two genes creates an albino.

odd I see them ALL the time over here, but I must say I thought Feckle was different when I saw her, so maybe i've trained my eye to see them :dbb1:

ahh yes the perfect solution... more budgies I almost did get one the other day, that violet spangle I saw weeks back at the pet shop was still there and it is clear that it's a boy now. I was itching and I’m sure if some staff member came in to ask if I was okay I would have got him. But the fact that he didn't move the whole time I was watching and was sleeping heavily, had be tad worried.

i haven't seen any for a budgie just the bigger birds, but they are coming into pet stores around here, have you aked if they have them in stock aroudn your or if they were planning on getting any?

But if you have never cliped wings and don't know how then don't try it, this is where ingures happen. That can cripple a bird's flight for life. If it is only one wing done then the other need doing as well, The one wing clips is old and it unbalances the bird. If you can't clip them either take back to your friend to be done or your avian vet.

err I've had Jangles and Tootie for umm..... july some time. So almost 6 months. Eterri- *Sigh* that's what it is seeming to me more and more. It hasn't changed since them one little bit, it hasn’t gotten smoother or flakier. He bite's Hard and doesn't let got which with Rainbows lot points to a boy. There isn't anything wrong with him. It just seems wrong for a president of a budgie club to not be able to pick a male from a out of condition female.

great work But i think this should be in the heath area, as a tip and pinned so..... *topic moved*

Lin - dominant or recessive or something else?? That's all I ask for It's an open book test, feel free to look over everything again, the links to the other threads are at the start of this one.

I was wondering about a violet gene with him looking at the cheek patches, but it was the best I could find late last night and doing a search for a dark green I found one of my own Freckle As to lovey question, it's kinda a trick of light. It changes the way the light bends in the feathers giving a darker appearance. I'll get to grey in a minute trying to work out a way to explaini t lutino and albino- first you need to know that the 'green' budgie is not made up of green feather but a mix of yellow and blue, the ino gene blocks all the other colour pigments in a bird leaving a yellow colour bird. No one gene can make albino. So you need the blue gene to remove the yellow pigments and the ino gene to remove all the others to be left with a white bird. Remember in Budgies there are bird that LOOK like a lutino or albino but in fact are not becuase the llack of red eyes. These can either bee DEC (dark eyed clears) which is from pairing two different pied genes or a Double factor spangle.

There are differant shades of blues and greens in a budgie and these come down to Dark factor's. This genes do not add more colour to the feathers , but chance the strutture of the feathers. In the green line you have the normal green, dark green then olive. Olive is a bird with two dark factor genes, while the dark green only has one. In the blue line there is sky blue, cobalt and Mauve. sky blue Cobalt Normal Green Olive sorry for the shortness of this, ask any question and hopefully i can get soem help from others like Daz, Rainbow, Bea and any others. Bea can you post a picture of Jelly please

ahh okay then I understood your fist comment, I'll make a tread about them for you know I think one of the old lessons had something about olive in it.

wonderful, simply wonderful.

NEW LESSON okay lets try something a bit different, let focus on the relationship fo certain genes and how they appear on young. Don't panic I'll use the ones we have covered. Just want to see that people are understanding the dominant and recessive part of these genes. Points given if you can just tell me if they are dominat or recessive or something else -_^. (ps no hidding traits unless stated) Pair One Blue SF Spangle cock X Green Normal hen Pair Two green cock/ clearwing X yellowwing hen Pair Three Blue Pied (no iris ring) cock X Blue normal/ pied hen Pair Four Opaline Blue cock x Normal blue Hen good luck all Bea and Daz no answering for five days : *edit* fixed up one thing, sorry Ausmoz but I thought I better before some one nit-picked my work sheet

there are others but not really set out as a lesson as this one and the dilute one. I realised afterwards finding these again would be hard so I pinned the next one up. okay all the different shades, I think you are meaning dark factors. okay will try something. *edit* there are now links on the first post of the pinned topic to all the other lessons.

Oh never thought of that illness. Problem solved he can be a good 'father' figure for the young ones

Jangles is really starting to get me concerned of 'his' gender. I took the word of the guy selling them to me, since he is the president of the budgie club here i figured he knew what he was talking about. But so far tootie has lost all of her brown from a moult and has almost come back into condition yet Jangles hasn't changed at all! 'His behaviour doesn’t' really match either of the sexes, he doesn’t' do much at all really. He isn't sick so don't worry about that, but he doesn't warble with Pie and Marine or get jealousy over things in the cage, but that would come down to the fact he is the lowest of the flock. He doesn't try to flirt with anyone and Ringo in fact chases him away from her when the mood hit's her that she has to own every space of the branch. When he does sing it is simply to call out to the ones out side with Freckle and Tootie. So I thought I would stretch all of your brains and see what you all think. the shape and size seems to point to male look how brown she is

I'm gald you have a little one now and he is already calm around you. Keep up the handling every day so he will bond to you well and i'm sure soon he wouldn't even think of biting you. Don't worry about the pet employees it's surpirsing how many people that don't know anything about birds get to work in a pet shop.

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very much so, she already has Blinkie, who else would she want.

aww :ausb:

(Laughing out loud) I was wondering if she wanted it for a nest :ausb: Ahh so you stoal my budgie my from packet, give it back now.