*Nerwen*

*faints* It was just a typo no need to panic I ment same. must have thought sex then changed my mind to gender and my fingers didn't keep up :hap: It seems the boys like to hang together and learn tips off each other when leaft in a large group, but when paired to a hen they are happy to woo her. I knew there was another reason I was thinking off, unconditioned hen (or male) As Daz said. make sure al your hens have a dark brown cere, most hen have a crusty looking one at this stage while the males have a smooth blue cere.

*faints* *peaks at words* *dies* okay now how did we get all mixed up let me gather some things to help me. This is a dilute blue This is a dilute green What we are looking at here, and naming is the strength of colour, not the acuall colour. This is a Greywing Blue- the first level of the dilute mutation. See how the strength of colour on the body of the bird is normal but the wings are clearly grey over black. This is a clearwing Green. Also known to many as a yellow wing. The colour on the wings are lighter than the greywing, yet the colour (this time green) is still strong. If the bird was blue (sorry can't find one) then they are also called whitewing. Yes you also have three level of blue in budges (sky blue, blue and mauve) But that is different to this mutation. That has to do with having and not having a dark factor gene. *chews fingernails to bone* I hope this helps.

if you don't want to try and get him to bond more with you mirrors might be an idea, give him some one to talk to. If you want him to bond with you then give him more attention then before.

Yup, white wing is a clear wing the second level of the mutation on a blue line bird, this is the dilute, the thrid level.

It's all good. I just remember that one since I think they are so cute :hap:

:hap: okay it's is hard when the call the grouping dilute and the third level of the mutation dilute The blue one is a dilute, not a white wing. How do I know he is a sky blue experience. Look at daz's picture that is a sky blue at full strength the little dilute blue is the same but the colour is dull. So far there are only the three types (grey wing, clear wing and dilute) in budgies. it's hard to find picture actually I was lucky to get the few I had.

Cream face is like a yellow face one but instead of a bright yellow fack mask they have a mellow yellow colour.

Good one Rainbow Daz he isn't a spangle , but he is s sky blue. Lin yes the blue one is a dilute. and we are learning about them. Grey wings, clearwings (yellowwings or whitewings) and dulites are all part of the dulite mutation. They are simply different levels, each level removing more and more colour from the bird.

Carmz and Lin are correct *glare* although if you think it's easy Carmz then your too good to be guessing at these lessons. (glad *you-know-who* is helping you) Yellowwing -better known as Clearwing is the first. Greywings- are next and Dilute for the last How to tel the differance? Well the dilute had a dimed colour all over the body, the clearwing and grey wings still have strong body colours. The clearwing has almost no wing markings while the greywing is still clearly marked and cleary gray rather than black. What is this one:

Lin is that for the same bird? Yellow face green is wrong. When calling a bird yellow face it only stands for a blue bird. All Greens have yellowfaces normaly. Here is a hint they are all along the same line of mutation.

there can be many different reasons to this. 1. the birds paired are the same gender, don't laugh it can happen. 2. the birds paried together don't like each other. If you didn't pair them for a perticliar reason (ie colours) you could try sawping the pairs around. 3. This is they first time. Both females and male take longer the first time aroudn since they have to workout what to do They are the main ones coming to me now, some say it canhelp to remove them from the breeding cages (so back in the aviary) and then pair them up again. I myself don't know if it works or not I really can't see how since it would be unsettling them, they have to feel safe in the cage to want to start breeding. Or you can do as Lin says and let them piar up themselves, but for sure there will be two males that want the same female or two females to fight over a male :hap: This would go with point 2, if you didn't care which bird was with which. If you do I would wait. How long have they been in the cages for?

YAY :oliveb: And I saw your trick on another thread :bluebudgie::

If you weren't I think I would hav fainted I hope it's not too easy, but then I always get told to dim it down.

it might, if the colour is strong enough to show up in one hit. Why not remove all four white one into a smaller pen then find the pair (using the spray if needed) to break into twos.

: I can't believe i missed that on mom i saw the opaline bit and didn't look much harder. But that makes sence, had to make my brain work becuase normally df spangles are all white or all yellow. With a green parent the baby shoudl have been all yellow but of cuase the mom can be split for blue (which is the only way this could happen ) so she gave the blue gene and dad gave the yellowface gene (known as Parblue) making a df spangle that looks like a clearwing, becuase not all the yellow was removed from the bird. Well done Gypsy

good to hear Bea have fun with the bird treatments

Not 100% yet Bea. Mom looks like a possible pied dad is a spanlge and i think the yellowface gene came from him. Can we get an update on the baby? Has he got a name yet?

old lessons: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=6251 http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=6212 http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=6559 okay here they are again. :bluebudgie: Trying something new as in I'm going to pin this so later one newbies can find all the info in one place so after each type I will simply moved to the next not make a new topic. Well with that out of the way I want you all to take a guess at what these three are: okay there are two in this picture but they are the same type good luck to you all. And of cuase green isn't going to win ou the pirze Daz and Bea- I deleted your popst so others with less knowledge of genetics get a change at guessing

nope it looks like normal grey to me I will find a mauve for you to match too edit- okharder to find than I thought, a mauve budgie still have the blue cheek patchs where as a grey as grey ones.

Ohh Your right Rainbow, he could be pied and that gene removing all the patterns from the wings. What are the parents?

YAY glad you got him to see your way of thinking. Let us know what the vet said to do.

I know :blinks: Bea you should guess more often That's correct.

This is good, if there ins't anything like this around as of yet I will pin thiss, so every one add your budgie first aid needs. Egg white- it's a good way to 'splint' a leg, just brush it on and let it get hard. Really easy to remove as well just add water.

no worries about the pictures, we just love that is all split means the bird carries the gene in it's dna but can't been seen on the bird.

YAY I swear if I found it on one of mine I would be there checking all of them over ten times Panicker that I am