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Glad you are all liking them Taking flight shots is completly by chance with me I hold still and hold the camera at the ready ( focused) and snap as soon as I hear flapping, sometimes you win sometimes you don't.

Welcome to the boards You have two very cute budgies. Tracey is a yellowface spangle. I can't say for now if she is type 1 or 2, when she starts to moult (around the 3 month mark) she will either start to get some green on her chest which means she is type 2 or not which means type 1 And sammi is a yellowface clearwing.

nestfeather is what they are called before they lose the bars on their head.

well something like this would be Part 151 http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=12367 There is the info daz put up.

is she kinda 'nesting' under the paper? and so doing the large poops becuase she is going regularly, only when she isn't under the paper. Have you thought of rearrangeing the cage again?

Here are some more shots of them in better light and no flash. Minka beside an opaline: Both in the middle next to normals:

I put the nursery cage out side today to give the fellows some fresh air and so I could give the space around thei cage a super good clean They were having a ball and with the sounds I hear right now are still having a ball! I got the camera out meaning to get some clear shots of Czar and Minka in better light for another thread, but ended up getting some very cool pictures. Just after a nice dip in the drinking water Look out below Some still need a bit of practice:

Love the new ones Karen and all the baby shots :ausb: Although Ginger looks male to me and Skipper looks female.

the blue showing like that would be from the violet gene as well. :(Laughing out loud): sorry about that I was posing a question to daz more than anything but Desi is right.

You did great Karen and you know more than you think The fact that no skyblues have appeared does it possibly mean he is a Lv D ?? may have to read the violet thread again.

okay then If the same person is giving the information then they are right.

That site you linked at the start clearly stated he put a Malenistics spangles male to a normal hen and got a mix of spangles, Malenistics spangles and normals. So which is right? Here is Czar: and Minka: close flight feathers look dark here compaired to the first picture. Both of them have the spangle like throat spots (lines)

Spangle Tail. This could be Jazz's Nephew. Is that right Karen? Looks like a Full spangle to me. Karen Daz and I might be putting the question mark back on this guy If he isn't a spangle and neither is the mother then something is fishy here. 'That Boy' might have so other gene as well. Look here: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=11563

This is what I have typed up: **please skip over any spelling and grammer errors I have yet to go over it proof reading** Everyday: Water need to be refreshed each day. Make sure the empty husks are removed from the seed dish each day as well. If not your bird might not understand there is seed under them. Cuttlebone, for calcium and Mineral Blocks should be available at all times. All fresh food should only be left in the cage for a few hours in summer time and removed daily. Healthy birds: To keep your bird for filled his sharp mind need to be kept active, this can be archived with toys, which are rotated to keep interest up. These don’t always have to be store brought a small branch of gum leaves with be nibbled and shredded with glee. Daily flights or out of cage time, once training is over your new little friend will love to spend time with you out of his cage. Natural perches for healthy feet. Budgies can suffer from arthritis, gout and bramble foot all which can be helped to keep at bay with a Varity of different shaped, angled and textured perches so their feet are not locked into the same shape all day every day. Any native plants like gum trees or bottlebrushes are safe to use and the budgies get the extra enjoyment and entertainment of ripping the bark off. Fresh Foods: There are many Veggies and Fruits that can be given to Budgies like: Broccoli Carrot Celery stalks Corn (milky & soft) Cucumber Endive Lettuce (not iceburg) Potato (cooked) Spinach Tomato Snow pea Sprouts Beans and peas Apple Apricot Banana Blackberry Grape Grenadine Honeydew melon Mandarin Mango Melon Peach Orange Pear Pineapple Plum Strawberries (small amount) Kiwi Pasta (cooked) Poisonous foods: Do not feed these to your birds at any time! Coffee Any seeds from fruit (bar kiwi) Alcohol Chocolate Avocado Onion Asparagus Cabbage Aubergine (eggplant) Rhubarb (including leaves) Raw potato Crisps (Chips) or other high salt human foods Human Breakfast cereals containing Zinc Food Treats: Honey sticks are a treat and shouldn’t be offered more than once a week at most. Some birds will stop eating in favour of these. Millet sprays are a high fat treat which most budgies love and should be offered only once a week. This is also a good training tool used in small pieces. Signs of Illness: Sitting fluffed up continually Discoloration/discharge present on feathers above nostrils Lethargy Vomiting – This is a violent side to side shaking of the head with seed going everywhere. A gentle bobbing while singing to mirror, toy or you is normal for males. Inability to balance Stains or accumulated poop on vent feathers Crustiness on or around eyes, cere, beak, feet/legs - hens get a normal crusty brown cere Local Vets: Dr A Gallagher BVsc Hons MACVSc Brisbane Bird Vet 248 Hamilton Road, Chermside 4032 Phone: (07) 3359 2233 Dr Ron Woodhead BVSc MACVSc Waterworks Road Veterinary Surgery 331 Waterworks Rd, Ashgrove Qld 4060 Phone: (07) 3366 1888 Dr Danny Brown BVSc (Hons) BSc (Hons) Sun Coast Vet Hospital Corner West Terrace and Bowman Road, Caloundra 4551 Phone: 13 17 38 Dr Louie Filippich Dept of Veterinary Medicine. University of Queensland, St Lucia, Qld 4067 Phone: (07) 3377 2553 Dr Edward Layt BVSc MACVSc Wishart Road Veterinary Surgery 224 Wishart Road, Wishart 4122 Phone: (07) 3343 6399 First aid kit: Blunt end Tweezers – to pull blood feather if need be, pull with the growth of the feather Cornflour - to clot blood Cotton Wool Balls/pads Cotton buds General vitamin supplement (ACEhigh or Avimix) Syringe or Eye dropper - for feeding or applying saline to the eye etc. Emergency syringe feeding formula (for birds to sick to eat, until you can get them to a vet) Eg. Poly-Aid or hand rearing mix. Bandages - to wrap splints to legs or hold broken wings down onto the body. Tea towel - for swaddling the budgie, this stops it thrashing around and hurting itself further Egg - egg white to 'splint' a leg, just brush it on and let it get hard Dangers in the house: Birds do not see doors and mirrors like we do. When training they can crash into these in mid flight, before letting the bird out cover large mirrors and glass doors or windows. Teflon poisoning – the use of Teflon cookware can give off toxic fumes that will affect a budgies breathing and death soon follows. Have windows and/or doors open or place the bird’s cage away from the kitchen. Wing Clipping: This can help with the start of training because the bird is unable to fly to great heights and relies on the owner for travel. I’m not against this but I have no experience or training on how to do this. If you wish to have for birds wings clipped please see an avian vet or if nothing else a pet shop. Doing this with out any knowledge could result in permeant damage to your bird’s wings. Taming: If you wish for the bird to bond closer to humans than as a bird happy to be alone or with others don’t add a mirror as a toy for the, they will see their reflection as another bird. Take things slowly they need to get use to a new cage, new faces and new sounds. Some have found they calm down well when they hold the bird gently to their chest first thing before being put in their new cage. Ongoing help and Info: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?

Has it been solved?? The fact that you can now tell me his tail is blue and not black means he isn't a grey-green even if is father was one. I think this is a green-violet. He got the green gene from his father and the violet gene from mum. these birds look like an olive bird. It's great that you found the breeder Karen, seems like you had a ball at the show:)

Aww Congratulations on the new family member

Yes ino and recessive (in areas) get it as well, but the fact that we know the farther is an opaline and the wings are completly black ( no patches that could mean a pied) makes be believe they are opaline. Do you see the tiny black dots on the very top of the head near the cere of the oldest? Normal coloured babies get that all over they bodies as the start of down feather showing.

They both look like boys to me as well.

yes I remember looking at her before at your place and don't recall ever thinking but what we thought. Also have a look at the bubs here: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....65entry146765 I thought the dad from this was another of Jazz's siblings. okay Looking at a big picture from your site her flight feathers have the markings of a spangle.

Karen forgive me for forgetting but is That Boy a spangle as well??

I would say she is a sky blue, the teal is becuase of the yellowface (might even be a goldenface)

great looking bubs there The oldest is an opaline and so a girl and the second looks like it could be one as well.

Yes they are I was putting it down to the pied gene. Re-read the info on these guys and a Microsoft Corporation ® paired to a normal will/can give Microsoft Corporation ® babies, normal spangles and normals :hap: Have you hit on something with out knowing Daz?? I think tommorrow you need to snap some new piccies of mum and dad again to have another look now. And yes take one or two to your meeting to check.

This is Darelle: her tail is normal. The first bub shown there really looks like a normal spangle :hap: Bea- lucky I didn't say a name I was thinking it was Bubbles :hap:

Are these Jazz and Bluey's bubs? Siblings of Czar and Minka? front shot of white tail feathers back I remember someone asking be about this when I posted a picture of them a while back. I thought the parents still had to be spangle for this to appear.