Trish 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,756 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 546 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 5, 2009 Birthday: 07/10/1976 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hi there, I responded to an ad in my local paper for 25+ budgies for $200 as the lady is moving house. I went to visit and was told she started off with 6 budgies and the flock "grew" from there. They also had a frost last year and lost a few and had already given some away to family but were selling the rest as a "family". There were 4 hollow logs in the aviary with chicks in various stages of development but all have to be out of the aviary by 2 weeks time! I mentioned that most babies wouldn't make the move and she said she realized that. I have offered her $125 but she is still waiting for other offers before accepting mine, I have a large empty aviary seperate from all my other birds that I can house them in. Two of her budgies have scaly face and one has a cut cere and another has a severely long beak. If she answers and says I can take them, I wanted suggestions on the best way to offer all chicks the best chance of survival. All suggestions welcome. I hope she says I can have them and not someone else as I hate the thought of all those little wasted lives! Trish. Link to comment
Pearce 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,449 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,475 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/06/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7, 2011 Birthday: 21/04/1991 Share Posted January 9, 2009 If the babies are very young and you move them with the parents, fair chances are the parents wont go near the chicks again. So If you have a brooder and a heat pad you could hand raise them? Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I have had to move studs not once but twice. Both times I was breeding. I had no problem moving parents with chicks. I never lost a single chick or had a single parent go off eggs. Time management is the key. You have to have everything in place at both ends. Link to comment
Sailorwolf 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 1,536 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,753 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 16,870 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 21, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2009 It's amazing how some people just don't care. Link to comment
Trish 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,756 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 546 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 5, 2009 Birthday: 07/10/1976 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 I have had to move studs not once but twice. Both times I was breeding. I had no problem moving parents with chicks. I never lost a single chick or had a single parent go off eggs. Time management is the key. You have to have everything in place at both ends. Any more hints or tips? And is 2 weeks too short a time frame? Link to comment
splat 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted January 9, 2009 God sounds like she only wants the money, doesn't care much about the birds Link to comment
Trish 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,756 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 546 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 5, 2009 Birthday: 07/10/1976 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 God sounds like she only wants the money, doesn't care much about the birds Very true, these type of posts can sometimes get upsetting and I have chosen to leave out a few other details but I just mainly wanted to find out what I could do to help them survive the move. I don't really want them as such because I need more budgies but more of for their sake. Link to comment
splat 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Can you take the tree stump with you maybe that will help, I heard you van transport breeding pairs with young but that's in their breeding cage though, I heard some bloke did it he made it dark for them and they travelled fine he said an egg didn't move but you don't have breeding boxes so I am not sure. Link to comment
Trish 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,756 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 546 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 5, 2009 Birthday: 07/10/1976 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Can you take the tree stump with you maybe that will help, I heard you van transport breeding pairs with young but that's in their breeding cage though, I heard some bloke did it he made it dark for them and they travelled fine he said an egg didn't move but you don't have breeding boxes so I am not sure. I am able to take the four hollow logs and put them into an already set up aviary. Maybe they would be o.k. I still haven't heard from the woman. Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Share Posted January 9, 2009 but you see, once you move the birds, they may not want to go near the logs again. Bird will abandon a nest if they feel threatened, and such a major move would threaten them. It is one thing if they were ina breeding cage, but this...not hopeful Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.27 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Very risky move to move babies in logs etc and expect parents to know where to go and what to do in a new location. Breeding cabinets are easier, aviary birds and babies much more difficult. Do you have any birds with babies that you can add some more to their nests ? Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.74 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted January 9, 2009 not a bad idea Kaz, fostering the chicks out might be the best way... Link to comment
krosp 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,621 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 95 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,955 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/08/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 10, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2009 But would that put Trish's chicks and their parents at risk of contracting something from the foster babies? Link to comment
Sailorwolf 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 1,536 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,753 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 16,870 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 21, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Why don't you pair up with another person and you could both offer say $125, which would total to $250, that way you would be sure of getting them and you could go halves on the birds. Could you perhaps but the parents and babies in breeder cabinets, when you transport them. I've heard of transferring from logs to breeder cabinets successfully. Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.74 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted January 9, 2009 But would that put Trish's chicks and their parents at risk of contracting something from the foster babies? good point, you would still have to quarantine, just because they are chicks doesn't mean they aren't carrying disease... Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted January 9, 2009 You need to try and get the logs with the chicks in them. Set up the new home exactly the same as the last one. Once eberything has got to normal you then change things around. You need to get help if you can and have everything ready. First catch up all the birds that do not have chicks. Leave the parents to last especially the hens. Get all the birds in the car. Last thing catch parents, put in the car and at the same time this is being doen somebody gets the logs and plugs the holes. place in car and go as quickly as possible. No rally driving. On arrival at new home make sure all food water eberything you need is ready to go. Place logs in then parents. Then introduce the rest of the flock. Try to do this all on a day with low temperatures. As Kaz already ementioned can you foster? It is taking a chance as you don't know what the new birds have but you can allways do a flock treatment. Treat everything as in quarantine. Wish you the best and I hope all goes well if you get them. Link to comment
Trish 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,756 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 546 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 5, 2009 Birthday: 07/10/1976 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 You need to try and get the logs with the chicks in them. Set up the new home exactly the same as the last one. Once eberything has got to normal you then change things around. You need to get help if you can and have everything ready. First catch up all the birds that do not have chicks. Leave the parents to last especially the hens. Get all the birds in the car. Last thing catch parents, put in the car and at the same time this is being doen somebody gets the logs and plugs the holes. place in car and go as quickly as possible. No rally driving. On arrival at new home make sure all food water eberything you need is ready to go. Place logs in then parents. Then introduce the rest of the flock. Try to do this all on a day with low temperatures. As Kaz already ementioned can you foster? It is taking a chance as you don't know what the new birds have but you can allways do a flock treatment. Treat everything as in quarantine. Wish you the best and I hope all goes well if you get them. The woman still hasn't called so it doesnt look good, maybe I should just offer her the $200? I only have one breeding pair (the T.C.B. and Albino with 3 chicks). There are four families in the aviary in question so I can't foster this many out. The method you mentioned sounds great and the best chance of their survival, another minus is that I live 1 hours drive away from the budgies. My husband has a van so we would be able to move them in that. Sailorwolf~I don't know anyone else that I can do the move with. And I do have extra breeder cabinets but would the shock of going to full aviary to cabinet be too much? Thanks so much everyone for the replies, might go give the woman another call and see what is going on? Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.74 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted January 9, 2009 an hour away... hmmm I got the idea from RIP's post that you would be plugging the ends of the logs up... wouldn't an hour in the van be to long? Link to comment
RIPbudgies 0 Posted January 10, 2009 Member ID: 4,902 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 16/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2013 Birthday: 27/10/1957 Share Posted January 10, 2009 JB not seeing the logs I have no idea how they have been set up. All hole need to be blocked if the chicks are quite capable of climbing out. If not then they don't need to be. An hour is not that long. Make sure the air con is on in the van and that it is all nice and cool. Keep the van running if you have to through the whole move. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted January 10, 2009 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.27 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted January 10, 2009 You need to try and get the logs with the chicks in them. Set up the new home exactly the same as the last one. Once eberything has got to normal you then change things around. You need to get help if you can and have everything ready. First catch up all the birds that do not have chicks. Leave the parents to last especially the hens. Get all the birds in the car. Last thing catch parents, put in the car and at the same time this is being doen somebody gets the logs and plugs the holes. place in car and go as quickly as possible. No rally driving. On arrival at new home make sure all food water eberything you need is ready to go. Place logs in then parents. Then introduce the rest of the flock. Try to do this all on a day with low temperatures. As Kaz already ementioned can you foster? It is taking a chance as you don't know what the new birds have but you can allways do a flock treatment. Treat everything as in quarantine. Wish you the best and I hope all goes well if you get them. RIP BUdgies is right and the way she has said to move the birds is exactly how I moved mine when we moved into this house. Only one hen hesitated to go back to her chicks but eventually did. the success was based on the new aviary and placements of nests etc being exactly the same, and done with speed and no stresses, and done early in the morning to be cool and give them all day to work out their new home. I would offer her the asking price. Link to comment
Trish 0 Posted January 10, 2009 Member ID: 4,756 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 546 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 5, 2009 Birthday: 07/10/1976 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) Just spoke with the woman's husband, an absolute arrogant thing. He insists that they are selling for $200 firm and no negotiation will be entered into. Does not care in the slightest that babies could die in the process and says that you just move them all in a cage. He basically said do I want them for $200 or not if not then that is that, they only care about the money in other words. He says that that is a bargain because they sell for $25.00 in the shops. I told him I would call back...grrrrr... Edited January 10, 2009 by Trish Link to comment
Sailorwolf 0 Posted January 10, 2009 Member ID: 1,536 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,753 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 16,870 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 21, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I don't know about putting hthem straight into cabinets. I was waiting for verification. Go with what RIP budgies has suggested as it worked for Kaz. Re the husband: Some people are so annoying! Link to comment
timbo.1 0 Posted January 10, 2009 Member ID: 3,527 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 263 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,660 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 26/06/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 28, 2012 Birthday: 03/03/1975 Share Posted January 10, 2009 i saw that same add in the local paper as i'm probably 15 mins away from the seller. i did consider ringing up for the birds but didnt quite have the room. as the owners are moving then he should have removed the nests out when he first found out he was moving to stop the beeding. Link to comment
Trish 0 Posted January 10, 2009 Member ID: 4,756 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 546 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 3,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 5, 2009 Birthday: 07/10/1976 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 i saw that same add in the local paper as i'm probably 15 mins away from the seller. i did consider ringing up for the birds but didnt quite have the room. as the owners are moving then he should have removed the nests out when he first found out he was moving to stop the beeding. They really know nothing about breeding birds, these birds in particular are well and truly inbred by now also. They are pet types not show types. Their house has been on the market for 8 months so they knew they were moving back then and have only just decided to get rid of them with all the other "garden ornaments"! I still dont know what to do, I don't want to give them the satisfaction of getting $200 for killing all the little chicks they have bred! Link to comment
krosp 0 Posted January 10, 2009 Member ID: 4,621 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 95 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,955 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/08/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I wonder why they don't just sell them all to a pet shop then, since he's convinced that it would make more money? Trish it's a really tough one. I'm not sure what you should do. How long do the chicks need before they can leave the nest? If it's only a few more weeks you could just wait and hope that nobody else offers it in the meantime so that they have nowhere to move it to until after the chicks leave the nest. If someone else does buy it hopefully they will do their research and know how to look after them it is hard sometimes being caring! You can't rescue everything obviously, but in cases like these it's really hard to know where to draw the line. Link to comment
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