New Members Of Our Family

[SJW 0]

Hi all! I'd like to introduce the new members of our family....

 

This is Bah...

 

 

...and this is Uh Oh.....

 

 

Our 1 year old son has named them, and now he was wondering about the particular mutations in their breeding. I was able to tell him that they were 'pied', but that's about as far as I can get!

 

If anyone could help me out that would be great!

 

By the way I love the forum, and have spent many an hour perusing the different posts!!

[timbo.1 0]

top one yf2 dominate grey pied, very nice and the bottom one is a danish pied

[SJW 0]

Thanks for that!

 

Another question now, I understand there is occasionally some confusion in sexing the recessive pied birds, what would everyone's opinion on this one be...?

 

[timbo.1 0]

female

[Feathers 0]

SJW,

 

SHE is a beautiful yellow face skyblue recessive pied I have a bird named "Oh oh"

 

 

Feathers.

[SJW 0]

SJW,

 

SHE is a beautiful yellow face skyblue recessive pied I have a bird named "Oh oh"

 

 

Feathers.

 

Thanks Feathers, I am a little confused now though ....skyblue? There are a couple of similar birds in the 'Members' Recessive Pieds' post (Pixel and Buzz), and they are described as green recessive pied.......?

[Elly 0]

Welcome to our forums...

 

There are blue based (white) birds and there are green (yellow) based birds.

 

There are different types of blues and some birds that have the yellow running through them a lot can create the effect of a blue bird looking like a green/yellow bird. I think this is what Feathers was saying? I am sure she will clarify.

 

Anyways welcome!! They are both gorgeous hens. Male recessive pieds will have a smooth deep pink cere like mine in my siggy.

[**KAZ** 0]

top one yf2 dominate grey pied, very nice and the bottom one is a danish pied

 

Not grey.....mauve...the colour show blue-ish not grey.

[SJW 0]

They are both gorgeous hens. Male recessive pieds will have a smooth deep pink cere like mine in my siggy.

 

Thank you for the welcome. Unfortunately I'm even more confused now !! You're saying they are both female?? I thought the top one in my original post would have been male....certainly has a reasonably dark blue cere....?

 

Do I have any advance on the current genetics and/or sex.....?

 

I can see that I still have an awful lot to read and learn :book: !!!

 

I appreciate the responses, please keep them coming!

[**KAZ** 0]

Your top one IS A BOY

[Bubbles 0]

Bah is a male and Uh Oh is a hen , Bah is a dominant Pied , Uh Oh is a recessive pied it is not recomended to mix the pieds together by the purists as it will difficult to predict breeding results in the future and you will get birds that are a mixture of both pieds eventually , a bird that is a dominant recessive pied ? what this will look like I'm not sure but if your breeding for your own enjoyment that is part of the mystery of breeding and the fun of looking into the nest to see what you have , but by mixing both pieds you may get a bird that you can never be sure of but if that does not worry you do it , it wont hurt the birds they dont care what colour they are and you may get something new and exciting colour wise .

 

Bubbles.

[Sailorwolf 0]

Bah is a cobalt, look at his tummy and you can see him in the 4th picture that was posted of him front on too.

Edited November 2, 2007 by Sailorwolf

[Feathers 0]

Hi again SJW,

 

Uh-oh, to me, looks like a blue based bird, not a green. You can see the yellow on the face is very bright. In a Yellow Face type 2 the yellow colour 'bleeds' through the body feathers and turns white to yellow and blue to green. If you look under her wings I think that you will see blue patches.

 

 

Feathers.

[*Nerwen* 0]

Two wonderful looking birds there SJW and welcome to the site.

 

at first budgie genetics can be hard to understand, but easy enough to learn :fear

 

Bah - is a yellowface opaline Dominant pied male. As to the colour of his blue it's interesting as on his shoulders is the a mauve tone yet on his front is cobalt. He could be a violet as his cheek patches are a dark blue

 

Uh Oh - I would state is a green recessive pied unlike Bah the yellow is a even tone on the whole bird not stronger in the mask area.

[SJW 0]

Thanks for all your replies everyone, it's much appreciated!

 

As to the potential inter-breeding of dominant to recessive pied, if their behaviour over the last 2 weeks that they've been together is any indication, there's not much chance of that happening any time soon! They're certainly no cuddlier !!!

 

Again, thanks for your help.

 

SJW

Edited November 4, 2007 by SJW

[SJW 0]

Hi Everyone,

 

I was thinking about what has been said previously about Bah's mutation, and after reading some more forums was wondering why it is that he has the very strong yellow colouring through his body, but it hasn't had any affect on his blue feathers ie turning them green....? I got the impression that with blue based yf2 birds (see, I'm already getting into the acronyms!) there would be some 'greening' of the blue feathers...?

 

Here's another picture..

 

 

Thanks.

[*Nerwen* 0]

The pied gene could be affecting that, as the 'green bleeding' start in the chest area but he is only yellow if you knew him as a baby the body would have been more white/cream.

 

He chicks will help to confirm the type 1 or type 2 bit.

[Elly 0]

Nerwen, I agree with the violet gene you were saying about look how dark his cheek patches are. As with him being a 1 or 2 wouldn't it be a 2 because a 1 the yellow is restricted to the face only not the body.

[SJW 0]

Hi all,I was wondering this morning whether Uh Oh (green) could have a very light iris ring in just one eye? You can't see it in any of the photos, and she's not tame enough to get a close up photo - will keep trying though! Is this possible, and would this make her a dominant pied as well?Also, Bah definitely has a violet colouring on his shoulders, so I think I can settle on violet. However, one of his cheek patches is half white...? Does this mean anything significant, or is it just a bit of genetic weirdness? SJW

Edited November 16, 2007 by KAZ
fixed duplicated post

[Norm 0]

It’s quite common for Pieds to have one eye with an iris ring & another without; I think it just depends where the Pied markings occur. The same can occur with the cheek patches also.

 

Re having the Pied patches quite Yellow, but it hasn’t bled into the Blue, I have some birds like that too & have especially kept them because of that variation, always with mutations you get variation. I’m thinking of pairing them together to see if I can fix it, as I think it looks quite good, to have the strong Blue & Yellow together.

[SJW 0]

It's quite common for Pieds to have one eye with an iris ring & another without; I think it just depends where the Pied markings occur. The same can occur with the cheek patches also.

 

Does that mean though that if Uh-oh does have an iris ring that she would be dominant rather than recessive pied??

[Norm 0]

Yes that could be true, but I was told that they can only be Recessive or Dominant not a combination, but I’m not positive on that.

[SJW 0]

So.... assuming a very light iris ring in one eye, that would make Uh-Oh 'dominant' pied......?

[Elly 0]

recessive pied and dominant pied are 2 different genes on a different allele so example a dominant pied could be carrying the recessive pied gene and produce recessive pieds when paired with either another recessive pied or a bird that is split for recessive pied too.

 

If the bird has an iris ring in one eye it would be considered a dominant pied. Recessive pieds eyes are actually black plum like and when you take a picture at a certain angle you can sometimes bring out the plum in the eye.

 

I hope that helps .

[SJW 0]

That's great, thanks Elly (and everyone else).

 

Have decided not to breed them this year, will see what happens next spring !!