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Double factor Melanistic spangle is a bird with totally clear wings (no markings) and still have the body colour. The deal with these birds is the parents MUST be a Melanistic spangle as well. They are a new sort of Spangles that have come out. Topic on Melanistic spangles

okay guys they aren't the best as they where taken right now when I couldn't see much and a few are slightly fuzzy but you get at least an idea of how they are going. Cage 1 Sorry I missed the tail of the blue one which is the m. spangle Cage 2

The first one I would say is a greywing mauve. The second is a spangle either mauve or grey I can't see the cheek patches well.

agree 100% with Libby

the cobalt in the front is a hen the grey could be a hen but it's a bit hard to tell.

No camera again so I was going to give you a video of them to find that it's flat and I can't find the charger for it :budgiedance: But the outcome is: Cage 1 oldest (from Reepi and Kazza) is a sky blue M. Spangle (just like dad) Youngest (foster from Berry and Kree) is a grey-green normal Cage 2 Oldest is a green spangle Middle is a grey-green spangle Youngest is a grey-green normal

Great job both you and your son. I agree with what Kaz has stated they look old enough to be away from parents and eating try with the extra things to start them now on a great diet.

aww little bubs :budgiedance: The oldest (in the first picture) is an opaline, who is the parents?

get a strong torch and shine it really close to the egg around day 5 and look for red veins. If you have to handle the egg to try this then wash your hands first and dry with paper towels (better than cloth)

KDJ As others have a said a frontal shot would be wonderful but from those shots I see no signs of piedness. Clearwing would match the look although with no marking what so ever on the wings it would be a very good clearwing indeed. There is the Double factor Melanistic spangle that looks like a clearwing with coloured body and fully clear wings and I think it's 50% reduced body colour (suffusion) I find it interesting that as a bub the cheek patch was blue but has since molted to white.

I've had hens dig away at the seed dish for weeks on end, moving it and adding a small shallow dish on the ground plus adding and swapping toys helped them lose the behaviour, even adding a branch of fresh leaves helped as a distraction. Hen will lay an egg from the perch if there isn't anywhere for them to lay.

Violet is also confusing becuase it can be carried on the light factor or the dark factor and depending on which is it on will give you a different outcome with the offspring. Topic to understanding the violet gene

sorry for not getting any shots on the weekend guys. The camera wasn't available

This is a sky blue with a flash used in the shot, see how your bub doesn't have that slight green tint. If the dad was cobalt then you would have 50% chance of cobalt babies.

looking good. The oldest seems to be an opaline. Don't worry about the little one they are stronger than they look

Also with Yellowface the type 1's should have white wing markings although some can still have light cream marks instead, so it's best to wait for the moult to know for sure.

I don't see grey in the wings and I think Cobalt recessive becuase there isn't the slight green/aqua hue to the bit of blue showing that a flash will bring out in skyblues.

wow Norm good on you for finding and getting some dusk birds

thanks for the shots Norm, it might be that since i have seen one now I know what to look for but at least yours show the saddle area with the faded feathers there.

(Laughing out loud) Ringing a budgie should be done around day 5-6 or even 7 if the smaller pet size birds. Close hatching is common for the first few as the hens might not have started to brooding correctly until egg 3. Good to hear that they are hatching

little one is right. I am deleting your repeated topic.

There is no reason why you can't the outcomes would be normal greens (not taking in hidden or carried genes that are unknown) What type of birds did he have? He is breeding for show he might have mean he wouldn't bother due to the smallish size of the male. Or if he liked the more interesting colours then he mightn't like a lot of normal birds. But the all look great. Green recessive pied Grey Double factor dominant pied Sky blue (or violet sky) spangle opaline.

dilute can fit with the blue pied. The 'green' is a bit harder, the yellow is very strong for a yellowface/goldenface at this age. The fact you can see blue doesn't always mean yellowface as blue is part of a normal greens. Olives can show some blue in certain lights and with flash.

That one has a low entrance hole so that is mostly likely what happened. Since they are at the age to be sitting at the door begging.

at least you know he is willing to drink it then.