*Nerwen*

CathyP- for all the resons listed here: Daz her post is in the 'my flock' area.

Sounds a bit like Tootie and Marine, I still don't think he fully understand what he is meant to be doing, they don't seemed to have moved closer at all, but I hope that changes in the new year when I put them in the breeding cage again.

Think Bea might Kill me but The answers: Ausmoz -100% Correct Daz- 75% correct (not counting the one you asked about ) I would have writen the first as: 50% (sf) spangles /blue 50% green normal ausmoz-there is no real way when just looking at a bird to tell if it is normal/normal. SO it is pointless to list it. Test breedings can show that there are no hidden traits. daz- This is only a co-dominant gene so with a sf not all babies will get the spangle gene. If the male was a df spangle then your answer would be correct. Pair two Yellowwing is the other name for clear wing when talking about a green line bird. the answer: 50% green Clearwing 50% Green normal/ clearwing Pair three: We are talking about recessive pied here. 50% with get a pied gene from both parents making them blue pied 50% goet one normal and one pied making them split for pied pair four Opaline is sex linked so all the females of the clutch will show the opaline gene but all the males are only given one opaline gene making them split for males need two gene to show. 50% Blue Cock / Opaline 50% BlueOpaline Hen

Lin what can you tell me about....Yellowfaces?

aww poor daz I think we need a new picture to have a lookie at Huey again. It might simply be down to getting to know the other. If they are intot he courtship stages the signs look good.

Of cuase not sure what I was thinking with the either? I gues $ was just meaning these one are not sex-linked. Perfect Nope, many recessive pieds have clear wings. She is just lucky.

What is the part bothering you? Opaline is very easy to spot when matched with normal. opaline Normal Opaline chances the wing edge colour from the head colour to the body color. Leaving a 'v' shape patch of body colour between the wings. Now have anothe look at the pics of the one we are guessing.

Ahh I see what is bothering you Here is anotehr picture and the way my hints are going I'm going to throw them all in the bin. And a young one:

well it seems that you keep saying you don't want to breed them, but at this point do not wish to remove the box or the eggs from them now, which means that the only step from here is to allow the breeding and hatching and raising to happen. If this is the step you are wanting to take (which it seems) then I think it best we give you helpful tips to better care for them. Even if it isn't the best situation not to know the age of your male. If he isn't anywhere near the age of 1 I wouldn't bother trying since the eggs would most likely be clear. This may have seemed to you that she was distressed but it was more the 'nesting' instinct gone a bit overboard. the hens like to rip and shred everything they can because in the wild the do this to make a nest, the only thing your's had to use was her broccoli. As to the toy to us they are toys to your bird they are other birds, so she would have been telling them to stay away from her nest area and mate. Some budgie pluck they own feathers in that area to get better cover on the egg or for other reasons, but it isn't anything to worry about, mine did this while she was laying as well. As to the breaking of the eggs, where you sure it was her? Some parents can get the taste of egg and continue this pattern. But seeing as she is sitting on them now you don't seem to have that problem. Since this is her first clutch I would put it down to learning on her half on how to handle these new things. Nesting material can be added to the box but most hens tend to not like it and remove it all, some breeders add it so the hen come to see the box as a nest or because their birds in fact use it. Any pet safe wood shavings from a pet store will be alright to use, and if your bird lets it be it makes for a cleaner box because it soaks up the poop later on. Make sure they have a cuttle fish at hand always for this give calcium, and also a mineral block. At this time they will chew through these like candy even if they have hand them before and not touched them. Up their fresh food intake now. When the young appear they will love this food over their seed. You can give them ready made egg biscuit mix from a pet shop or simply hard boil some egg and mash it with carrot to give them, while some finely crushed shell as well. This has heaps of protein in it and the calcium from the shell. When to except babies? around day 18 of the first egg, the ones she is sitting on not the one broken. Then every two days another will hatch just as she laid them. Keep an eye out for the crops of the babies, you can miss it, it is right under they beaks and will have a yellow blob if the mother is feeding them. They grow fast and by the end the first will seem large compared to the last hatched baby. But unlike other bird budgie feed every one of their chicks, changing the type of food given to them according to age. Around the two week mark the dad will start feeding them more and more until he is the sole provider around the four week mark, which is when the babies are starting to come out of the box. At this stage be watchful for more eggs the parent will want to start a second round of egg laying and chick raising. Two clutches in a row is fine for a pair but need to be stoped after that to get nutrients back into their own systems. They can easily be stoped at one as well, replace all laid eggs with fake ones until all the babies are out of the box then remove the box. I hope this helped and that we get to hear more about your birds. And chance of some pictures?

:bluebudgie: Does that make jangles some sort of Missing link bird? :ausb:

*hits head* Oh NO, Sorry lin I just realised I swaped the right and left around Eek. Sorry I do that sometime, and if you think that is bad you should see me with numbers >_< Actually not a bad guess for the yellow one there, she does look a bit like a dilute, and her face mask is a darker shade to her body. She even has the paler flight feathers of a Greywing. :bluebudgie: okay but the one I'm really after is the one on the RIGHT. (got it that time) And your very close with ONE of your last guesses :ausb:

ooohh I love the idea :bluebudgie: Any other xman themed names?

I love the name :bluebudgie: and HE seems like an angel to have around. Keep staying those words to him and pretty soon he will be saying then loud and clear :ausb: The flash of the camera makes it hard to see the body in that picture but the way the wings are patterns lead to a Dominant Pied as HurdyBirdy said. Hope to see you around here heaps and with tales what what your Kernel is up to.

This is right :bluebudgie: But there is also Lacwings which are bird taht are almost lutino or albino with faint brown markings on the wing. Are you sure they are bown? so we have: 1 lutino (all yellow, red eyes) 3 Normal light greens 1 Normal dark green (like Mum) 1 possiable lacewing (albino) 1 green(dark green or olive) Recessive pied 1 blue clearwing (greywing?) 1 blue reciessive pied 1 clearwing (greywing?). wow what a mix up and all from normal looking parents. The joys of genetics, okay Dad must be then:Blue normal split ino Mum must be: Green normal slipt blue. Either or both of them are slpit for the clearwing gene and recessive pied gene. This means the Quinn's sibling is sister and same with the lutino one. And if it is a lacewing then the dad nees to be slipt for cinnamin as well, if i remember that gene correctly.

to me he looks like one of those fake budgies

Are we seeing the same picture? I one i posted and am seeing is one the one in my Sig on the right and.... the one the loves to 'hit' on her. (left) There are no pied bird in the picture at all. (the one on the right is a hard to pick and confusing mutation ) okay what colour to you end up with when mixing these three colours? (the thre you mean I think are green, blue and yellow.)

great looking bird there glad she is doing well already.

(Laughing out loud), it starts now, start look while i don't really need a new one and I will find the perfect one

soon want to see if others get it first, the picture is more for lin. In fact lin try this one too: Green Male X Blue Hen

that's fine Caren I have some on an angle in my cage too It's not fun just having them straight. It's more to strengthen they feet and stop them from getting bumble foot or arthritis from having the feet curled in the same position all the time. Also I wouldn't use the sandpaper perch covers although made to keep the nails filed down they rub the feet and can cause infections.

sounds like she is having a wonderful time I love watching mine when I put in some leaves to rip and chrew and shed and bath in and fight over...such crazy antics.

okay Lin (thinks hard) okay What am I?: (on the right) Am I donimant recessive or somthing else, tell me all you can.

okay Bea go for it :ausb: Lin- What would you like to explore next?

Well to use the word Daz like to say, there is in fact no "GREEN" in a budgie. The green colour we see and call normal is a joining of yellow and blue. And no don't believe they are alleles if the same gene. Blue and Yellowface blue are which might be where the confusion is coming from. Yes. Lutino is a sex-linked gene so it depends on what the parents have. eg. Lutino Make X Normal hen Normal/lutino males Lutino Hens.