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Chase has white patch on the 'crop' area... with patches of mauve around the neck area and under the wings as well... Chase flying... it shows the mauve under her wings as well... Chase on her back... Chase side Chase with Blondie... the differences between the two siblings in their body colours.... and last a picture of Chase's back for the wing patterns... Oh sorry, I know you said one picture of chase for you to see, but I thought I'd show the whole 'aspect' of Chase.

well, it is a cinnamon, so that would cause the dilution on the body colour... as with almost a 'full body suit' of body colour, yes I've seen recessive pied that has a lot of body colour with little white or yellow. Obviously whether the body colour is blue, grey or green it doesn't matter as it is only the colour dominants.. however the patches in recessive can be very very varied from almost no body colour to a lot of body colour. I think Bea has a bird that has a lot of body colour with lots of wing patterns. My Chase has a fair bit of body colour on her, with lots of wing patterns, and she comes from a pair of receissive pied, and also she doesn't have iris rings. I'm not sure how to explain it, but when I see that little bird (Frost) I Think recessive, just like Chase when I saw her. Sammi... may be you can post a picture of Frost frontal shot so we can have a look at what her front looks like.

here's my opinions.. Lee is a green spangle (the spot I'm assuming is a spangle spot) Sammi, does Lee have any other yellow patches on the body where the green is? Frost is a grey cinnamon recessive pied. (the cheek patch isn't blue so it can't be mauve) and I think the tail looks more like a diluted black (grey).. oh the leg band, it could a show breeder band, but it could just be someone that put it on to keep track of the baby. Missy is a green recessive pied Xavier is a YF 2 cobalt opaline. Cheek patches are quite dark like Lovey mentioned, so it could be a violet, but then again, it could just be my monitor as well. :hap: Cheers

yes that means spangle if the middle two tailfeathers are turning out clear.

what a battle for the veggie bowl!! (Laughing out loud).. they are all very adorable.

are you quarantining Sammi away from your other birds? This is to prevent disease spreading just in case Sammi might be carrying something.

I'm thinking the same about Bart now with the new pics. I'm still going to say that Blossom is a recessive pied.

Oh yes, I realised that the red eyed came from the ino genes. I was just merely trying to say that a cinnanom bird can have red eyes if it also have the ino genes. and yes I also do know that you can get other red eyed brong winged birds that are not cinnamon gene. I know I am being a pain at the moment, but really, I am not trying to be.. all I am trying to say is that from the photo (picture 1), you can't say that to take a look closer at picture 1 and realised that it's a fallow and not lacewing (which is a cinnamon. Even Nerwen said herself that she couldn't tell whether it's a fallow or an ino short of knowing which site the picture came from). So technically for those that said picture 1 is a cinnamon bird is correct since there's no other way of knowing it's a fallow as it is also marked as a lacewing. The only way anyone would know it's a fallow is if they know that the picture came from a fallow website's gallery. I hope you're getting what I'm saying.... it's just that, to me that bird perfectly looks like a lacewings, and of course just as well a fallow, I thought that it was a lacewing at first glance, and second glance, and even third glance, never in my mind did I think that it is not a cinnamon. and the answers says that it isn't a cinnamon, and in fact it is a fallow. and then it goes on to say that the red eyes are the key to telling it apart... I'm not sure I agree with that. how do you tell a lacewing and a fallow (like the picture shown) apart from short of breeding them to see what you get. The reason why I'm being so 'stubborn' now is because I think to have a genetic lesson, you need to cover all the basis. If I was new at this genetic stuff (and I'm still learning a lot of stuff) I would now go on thinking that all yellow birds with brown marking and red eyes are fallow and no chance of it being a cinnamon ino. I hope you get what I'm trying to get at. Not trying to stir trouble here.

Isn't lacewing just a fancy name a cinnamon albino/lutino? They have red eyes.

my opinions.. Bart... mauve dilute, but a better picture would help a lot. Barney... agree...violet greywing Blossom... agree...skyblue recessive pied Belle... goldenface opaline clearwing... if that is what rainbow is, then she is a rainbow.. hehehe.. not very up on rainbows.

what cuties!! they look to be good size birds! wow.. I do love the look about these babies.

Does fleur have plum or red eyes? or is it just my monitor setting? in the front shot of her, she looks to have plum eyes. If she doesn't have plum/red eye, you can add Cinnamon to what Lovey and Nyos said... if it has red/plum eyes.. it is possibly a dom pied fallow (not really sure if this is possible or not though....) Ginkgo may also be continental clearflight. Can't really tell as the flight feathers are trimmed, and there seems to be small clear patch around the throat area.

wow, that's so cool!! Makes me wonder how those budgie mums and dads don't squish their babies more often with the way they handle the babies!!!!! (Laughing out loud)

you can not have both clearwings and dilute on the same bird. it's either dilute or clearwings. they use the same 'strain' of recessive gene. If that make sense.

Oh, nice... I will see if I can make around then.

they are all gorgeous!!

oh beautiful babies!!! Love them all!

cutie pies...

I will need to drop that ladder off sometimes. may be monday if you're at home. I can drop by sometimes for a 'quick' visit.

it's all about the non-existing black dot that the opaline babies get. white down feathers. they are looking soooo cute.

My Quake boy has a cere that looks like the first picture. I first thought that he was a she, but turns out that he's a he, and he has been seen by someone, and apparently there's nothing wrong with him. he's cere is pink and blue... almost like half of the cere are coloured like a male recessive, but the other half coloured up like a dom pied. I Think my Spirit cere is colouring up like that too... funny thing is they are my only two dominant pied boys and both have the same problem with the cere being 'not blue'.... they are boys coz I know they've done the boy thing when breeding. Here's a picture of Quake's cere Jenene, are your two new birds' ceres crusty brown? or just pinkish like my Quake's??

are they from Armadale?? I saw an ad somewhere for those babies plus more.

I think the spangle and recessive genes uses different allele, therefore are able to show in one bird. I could be wrong though...

pair B... single factor dom pied, guessing 50% spangles. Can't have doble factor spangles as only one parents is spangle.

Yep, agree, Zeuss is a gorgeous one... I want a white bird with deep dark blue cere too!!!