Elly

good news Deb

Linda, gorgeous birds, I would take the 2 you have questions about and if you are asking about Mutations post them there if you are asking about standards and then post in that forum .

So sorry to hear this did you bring in any one new recently? Did the vet give you an idea what could have happened to cause of all this? Big Hugs.

I would think spangles could be difficult too because the marking many times are not strong enough and can get washed out by other mutations...just my thought though. Good question.

the dolphin noise means the bird is angry or upset with what you are doing or what another bird is doing, it doesn't mean they are sick.

What color are the eyes? and the marking of the wings?

Wasn't looking to blame, was asking to see if you could figure out the source so those birds could be treated... Fingers crossed I hope he pulls through.

Welcome look forward to reading your breeding journals' and see how everything works out .

Welcome and thank you for the introduction

I agree with Kaz...good on you Jen for working on getting these birds healthy. Keep us updated.

Welcome...would love to see pictures of your birds, especially the lacewing .

you can addle the eggs or replace them with fake ones and take out the nesting box or she will continue. I am sure Kaz may have other advice here on this too.

Jen, you know the situation more then we do so if you feel in your gut that if they get the birds back and they will be taken care of fine. I would as Kaz said keep them far away from my own birds, seperate rooms and as far as possible, I also would not return them until the existing birds that he is treating are completely healthy as it will just reinfect the birds you made well. I would also do check-ups on these people to ensure the birds are being cared for and continue educating them.

I saw this on another forum and thought it was great. http://www.maniacworld.com/bird-loves-ray-charles.html

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Many times in rescue you have to offer a low cost 10.00 is nothing for the suffering of those birds, if you do offer something they are more likely to let them go vs saying give me your "stuff" for free, this is why I say this. If you offer it is better you have control of the money if you say what do you want for those birds then the dollar signs may come into play.

yep I agree with the rest, great photo you should enter it for Budgie of the Month

Big hugs JB, I am so sorry Did he contract the canker at MB's? or do you think he had it? Asking as a precaution has MB had her birds checked since she lost one too?

Very cute picture, congrats, you should enter your photo for Budgie of the Month. Did you do quarantine?

what a cutie, you should enter this picture for Budgie of the Month

I would just ask them if they want to sell their birds? If they say yes give them an offer for the whole lot. If they ask why, tell them, that you see that they are sick and that you would like to help them (the people) out and get the birds the care they need along with bringing them back to health. If they say why do you think they are sick, tell them all the reasons why you know they are sick and what you will do to care for them. Be simple and to the point. Does that help?

The above is my opinion, not to be harsh but reality. I have 2 rescued dogs, seen enough of APL rescues, along with knowing people who rescue that would tell you the exact same thing.