*Nerwen*

look like it is just past damage to the foot, the toe is pointing upwards as well

yes you are correct, YF DF spangle. the eyes are black and there is an iris ring appearing in the eyes.

the green babies are green not yellow face. as SC states the third is Opaline (meaning the body colour appears on the wings) your blue baby appear cobalt to me

A whole clutch can been fertilized with one successful mating as the semen can last around 10 days (and that is about 5 eggs) this is why some breeder separate their hens for 2 weeks before pairing to be sure of the parentage.

You had your answer that it was the father way back then (in red) Wish i had seen this thread before, they look cute with the pin feathers. Lucky for you the son carries the gene. If this chick is already set for sale why not breed the father again? you might get another one (or more)

grey helps remove the blue sheen you can get in Ino's (albinos) that might be the case for Fallow as well

wow. good luck with the chicks SC and sunnie!

me too, they love doing that on the big beam at the back of the cage near the wall. Freaked me out the first time too.

if the first bird listed is the male then yes the males will be split for Opaline but all chicks will be split rec pied as that is not a sex linked gene so either gender can carry it.

that cock is not a grey!

sorry Cara - i can't see anything with those pictures could you link larger sized ones or take natural ones in daylight (as in not holding the bird)

If the grey green spangle was split to blue, it could produce a df white spangle. (Well, when paired to another spangle...) oh oops sorry guys I thought Splat was talking about the DF mother, not her parents!

beautiful girls

not a grey green splat as Jack states white so the bird is blue series as the dad is a visual blue the grey had to come from the mother. as for the birds in this thread I would like to see the pied in adult feathers, i can't tell if the pictures are just dark but she seems darker than a cobalt to me and her check patches are quite dark as well.

welcome the the site,as you can see we like to start the learning straight away...helps removes the myths people have gathered over time. Have fun reading up on things

Rachelm - that is the way i was shown by dog trainers and it worked well, but you have to reward them for the behavior you want eg sitting. and Spat don't give up on the jumping training or any training you want to take place even if Greg allows it dogs can learn that they can get away with a behavior with some and not others. My friends dog was horrid for licking you and she loved to get your face (which I HATE hate more than dogs jumping all over you) but she learn it wasn't going to pass with me, with lots of stare downs and firm no's. after three times she was put on the ground. of cuase the onwer still let her but in time she stopped trying with me and loved the pats she got for being a good girl.

yes Ratzy Spangle and dom pied not recessive

would love to see some pictures. as to the flying my first bird alway ran into the walls when out and about for a fly for at least 3 years while i had her alone. she never seemed to learn to miss them.

well deserved, you will do great

TCB does not remove markings. It alters markings that exist on the bird. At first look it is obvious the bird is pied. Then due to lack of other 'visual markers' it becomes a guessing game as to what else is there. This is were experience with variety combinations comes into it. If the parents of the bird had not been put up I wonder how many on this forum, including myself, would have picked up the different mutations in this bird. As I have already said the pied was obvious and given the fact it is a baby one would have to wait till it is moults for the iris ring to develop, or not. The grizzling effect on the feathers can be the result of a couple of mutations but again unless you are familiar with them and their consequences in action with others one cannot begin to even have a clue. Sometimes some combos are just plan hard to see. Example being Cinnamon Fallows looking almost exactly like Lacewings. There is such a subtle difference that it can be missed almost entirely by anybody, myself and judges included. I have two such birds. Remove or alter is just getting technical over words for no reason. The TCB gene is Par-ino which blocks the blue from the bird in some areas of the birds body. A agree to the fact the parents where shown it helped rule out any mutations that could have been brought forth if the baby was shown alone.

///////// This was a blood pairing Kaz,the parents visually are very ordinary.The mother is a double factor grey dominant pied,the dad a sky normal . Nice chick. Just a query. Which is double factored....the pied or the grey part? the fact that the chick is blue should have answered that for you. very cute bird!

i would say male

Rip - I would say in this bird it is the TCB mixed with the pied gene causing issues in the bird looking recessive to most as it has removed the body markings on the bird that you would normally see.

great pictures!

why did you want a male for Toni? hen can make great pets as well