RIPbudgies

Pardon me for being a tad cynical but how do we know they are truly Bush Budgies and not just captive bred greens of the smaller pet variety?

Just a tad. When I get a bit of time I'll scan some of the adds in it. I love looking at adds to see how they have changed over the years. Inside back cover is a Golden Cob Ad. I'll try and do that one first and add to this thread. Since I don't buy GG though Kaz, you'll have to check if the logo they use is still the one in use today.

Isn't his name Helo... I got his name from the Hero's character Hiro Nakamura :sad: No, your right Kaz, He's not so little anymore.. lol I was actually going to measure him today.. He's the biggest (longest) budgie I've ever had! Damn, I think you might be right. He is still a nice looking budgie.

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He is a very nice budgie. I really like him name. Did you get that from a character in Battle Star Galactica?

Yes I did say that. I also stated in my previous post that I did not choose my words wisely either. I was agreeing with DrNat's perspective on the issue not the actual issue its self. If that makes sense. DrNat simply raised an example, that is all. DrNat did not go on to say the it is a regular occurance or that she condones it. Only that it happened. Richo we love you too. :sad:

Just going through a lot of old stuff I have accumalated over the years to do with birds. There is an interesting article on Violet Budgerigars in this issue. Interesting to re-read some of the past writings.

Egg is nice average size. Well formed and good excellent shell. Don't want to see really big eggs they nearly always present a problem. Pair 3. Jimmy I hope they do come to the party mate but at this time given their behaviour I don't think so. I will keep them were they are however as sometimes the sounds of chicks may produce a response.

Pair 2: Goldenface Cobalt x Light Green. First egg laid today. Pair 1 and 2 shouldn't be to far behind but Pair 3. Still no activity in the nest box.

I think some people here have a problem with tunnel vision and are reading things into posts that are not there. Just because one is older it does not make one wiser or more experienced. There are some unexperienced older people on this forum also. I will finish my post with say this. I do not condone the breeding of a 12 week old budgie!!!!! I never did. DrNat simply pointed out that it happened to her, that is all. I have never done it!!! I never will!!. I simply pointed out that wild birds do breed at 12 weeks of age. That's all.

I comend you for doing your research but not everybody does that Pearce. Some people are just down right gullible and some just go with the first peice of info they lay there hands on. Then there are others who just believe every damn thing that they are told, even complete lies. Here is a nice little saying I found some years ago. "A lie gets half way around the world before the truth has a chance to put it's pants on"

That may well be the case but it is misleading and causes confusion. There are many more authoritatrian sources out there than the contents of this forum. Any forum that sets itself up as a source of information needs to make sure that what is provided is correct and not just the views of a few individuals. Maybe a view from the mderators can be provided.

The only thing I can see can cause a problem is if pesticides have been sprayed on them. If they come from your own garden it should not be a problem.

If you ever need to run out quick to get something to get a bird through try using the baby rice cerel the Hi-protien one. Drop of calcivet if you got it if not sugar syrup or a small bit of honey added will do.

Apple branches are fine the seeds are not. Question know is who wrote the list? Maybe it should be reviewed and altered if need be.

I am with DrNat on breeding age so flog me to if you so wish. In the wild they breed from 12 weeks of age. They have to in order to increase the numbers while conditions are appropriate for there survival at that time. The smaller "pet" type budgies as far as I am concerned are just not that far removed from their wild cousins. Show birds are however a different ball game not because of their size but because of a lot of indiscrimating breeding practices that make sure a good proportion of breeding problems are inherited time and time again. This is what cause the problems, not age. As mentioned by someone already old birds too have their problems! As for pet shops. I had a friend years ago who owned one. I also used to work/run it on occasions. This pet shop was lucky that the owner and helpers had a good knowledge of the pets that were sold. The majority do not have that luxury. There are no pre-requisites to own and run a pet shop. Anybody can buy into one. Look at the "***** *********" franchise. Bloody ****!! excuse the french. Every store I have ever entered are all set up well and look great. That is where it stops. Staff know nothing about birds let alone any other animal in their care. I bred tropical fish for a number of years. The things I have heard staff telling people about keeping even the humblest of all fish, the Goldfish, is beyond belief. Due to the staffs lack of knowledge is when you get statements like 'they were a week old when we got them'. The genuinely mean the bird is week old. They are not counting the nestling stage. They age them from when they have left the nest. Also they believe what the seller tells them. Kaz, nest boxes do not always provide the trigger. Many a sole hen has come into breeding condition and laid an egg on a cage floor. In the wild the main trigger is rain which brings on an abundance of food. It is then they seek nesting hollows.

Monkey nut basically the unshelled version of the peanut. They are fine to feed to budgies. I provide them mainly in the shelled form for the fledgelings and on occasion for the adults in the main flights but I also put a small handful of unshelled ones in the main flights and one or three with fledgelings. It becomes a real play item.

She has only plucked the down feathers so I can't see any reason to remove her. These will grow back as long as she has not damaged the follicle.

Actually Jimmy the percentages stay the same. I have not included the split only the visual. Of course the centages are based on 100 offspring. It just shows what is possible from that pairing. The bird may well have only two or three of those of those possibilities. :oliveb:

Just thought I would share with you an extract form the pages of the The Foreigner, a Journal produced by the Keston Foreign Bird Farm. It is from Volume 4 part 1 - Jan., Feb., 1937. The Present Position of the Australian Parrakeets. By Alan Lendon, F.R.C.S. Budgerigar (Meloppsittacus undulatus) Enormous flocks are still to be found in the drier districts, but it rarely comes as far south in South Australia as Adalaide. The last occasion being in 1932. The green variety can usually be had for a shilling a pair. This is of course just the bit to do with budgies. Enjoy this little bit of history.

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This is not true from what i have read. Blue birds are only blue because their yellow pigment production is faulty, creating what should really be known as a 'parblue' budgie or faulty green essentially. There are four known distinct mutations of the fully functional yellow gene (lets call it G) - gene B1, B2, By2 (YF2) and GF. B1 is the first known faulty mutation, and in the presence of G (Eg G B1 budgie) the fully functional G gene is able to fully compensate for the faulty B1 gene and gives you what we call a green budgie split for blue. The same goes for all parblue genes - in the presence of a single functional gene, there is no phenotypical change as yellow production from the one functional gene is sufficient to fully compensate for the faulty gene. I don't think you have read this right Dean. There is only one Goldenface mutation and it comes in single and double factor. I am not talking about the other YF mutations at this point or any composites. I am also aware that the yellowface allele is also known as a Par-blue. I am well aware of the articles around the place. The first one you cite is by far the best. The second is extremely questionable. G.W. von Kamrath has done nothing but rewrite the writings of Cyril Rogers and Ken Gray to name a few. He attempts in one paragraph to write a description of the Rainbow which if read carefully can be seen to be a butchery of the orignal Keston description which appears in full in the "Cult of the Budgerigar" by W. Watmough and also in "Rainbow Budgeriagars" by Ken Gray. The second paragraph is a complete re-write of Cyril Rogers from the web article in his list of references. He also has reverted to using the terms Type I, Type II and Type III which even back in the 1930's this term was not used by those with a scientific background. He also seems to do a far amount of supposition on how Keston were breeding their birds. He suggests, almost novel like, that they developed the Rainbow from the experimental breeding of Yellowfaces. In any of the writings that I have in my person and with my conversations with Ken Gray this is not the case and nor does it makes sense. Keston Farms were a commercial enterprise and commercial enterprises do not waste their time and resources doing experiments unless they are paid to do so. Of all the references this guy has listed I find that the one that probably should be on the list is missing. That being "The World of Budgerigars" by Cyril Rogers.

okay. There has been a bit of behind the scenes stuff goning on with this thread. But here are the results. To keep it as simply as possible I will only put up the visual results of each pairing. PAIR 1. Cock := Dark Green Dan Rec Pied / Ino Hen := Sky Blue Spangle(sf) Dan Rec Pied PROGENY-PERCENTAGE DESCRIPTION 18.750 % Dark Green Dan Rec Pied 6.250 % Dark Green Dan Rec Pied Ino 18.750 % Dark Green Spangle(sf) Dan Rec Pied 6.250 % Dark Green Spangle(sf) Dan Rec Pied Ino 18.750 % Light Green Dan Rec Pied 6.250 % Light Green Dan Rec Pied Ino 18.750 % Light Green Spangle(sf) Dan Rec Pied 6.250 % Light Green Spangle(sf) Dan Rec Pied Ino Summarised Number of Progeny Types (excluding hidden traits) := 8 PAIR 2 Cock := Aust YellowFace (sf) Sky Blue Hen := Aust YellowFace (sf) Cobalt Type I Dan Rec Pied PROGENY-PERCENTAGE DESCRIPTION 21.500 % Aust YellowFace (df) Cobalt 3.500 % Aust YellowFace (df) Sky Blue 21.500 % Aust YellowFace (sf) Cobalt Type I 3.500 % Aust YellowFace (sf) Cobalt Type II 25.000 % Aust YellowFace (sf) Sky Blue 3.500 % Cobalt 21.500 % Sky Blue Summarised Number of Progeny Types (excluding hidden traits) := 7 PAIR 3. (No Cinnamon). Assuming cock is dark grey green and the hen is light grey Cock := Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Hen := Sky Blue Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) PROGENY-PERCENTAGE DESCRIPTION 3.126 % Dark Green 3.126 % Dark Green Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.126 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) 3.126 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.126 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) 3.126 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 6.250 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) 6.250 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 6.250 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) 6.250 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.126 % Dark Green Spangle(sf) 3.126 % Dark Green Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.126 % Light Green 3.126 % Light Green Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.126 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) 3.126 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.126 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) 3.126 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 6.250 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) 6.250 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 6.250 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) 6.250 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.126 % Light Green Spangle(sf) 3.126 % Light Green Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Summarised Number of Progeny Types (excluding hidden traits) := 24 PAIR 3. (With Cinnamon). Assuming cock is dark grey green and the hen is light grey. Cock := Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Cinnamonwing Hen := Sky Blue Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) PROGENY-PERCENTAGE DESCRIPTION 1.563 % Dark Green 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Dom Pied(sf) 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Dark Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) Cinnamonwing 3.125 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) 3.125 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.125 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 3.125 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Cinnamonwing 3.125 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) 3.125 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.125 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 3.125 % Dark Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Dark Green Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Dark Green Spangle(sf) 1.563 % Dark Green Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 1.563 % Dark Green Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Dark Green Spangle(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Light Green 1.563 % Light Green Aust Dom Pied(sf) 1.563 % Light Green Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) 1.563 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 1.563 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) 1.563 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 1.563 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Spangle(sf) Cinnamonwing 3.125 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) 3.125 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.125 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 3.125 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Cinnamonwing 3.125 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) 3.125 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 3.125 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 3.125 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Light Green Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Light Green Spangle(sf) 1.563 % Light Green Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 1.563 % Light Green Spangle(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Cinnamonwing 1.563 % Light Green Spangle(sf) Cinnamonwing Summarised Number of Progeny Types (excluding hidden traits) := 48 Pair 4. Assuming the cock is light grey and the hen is light grey green. Cock := Sky Blue Aust Grey(sf) Hen := Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) PROGENY-PERCENTAGE DESCRIPTION 12.500 % Light Green 12.500 % Light Green Aust Dom Pied(sf) 12.500 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) 12.500 % Light Green Aust Grey(df) Aust Dom Pied(sf) 25.000 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) 25.000 % Light Green Aust Grey(sf) Aust Dom Pied(sf) Summarised Number of Progeny Types (excluding hidden traits) := 6 Pair 5. Cock := Sky Blue Hen := YellowFace Mutant 1 (sf) Sky Blue Spangle(sf) Opaline PROGENY-PERCENTAGE DESCRIPTION 25.000 % Sky Blue 25.000 % Sky Blue Spangle(sf) 25.000 % YellowFace Mutant 1 (sf) Sky Blue 25.000 % YellowFace Mutant 1 (sf) Sky Blue Spangle(sf) Summarised Number of Progeny Types (excluding hidden traits) := 4 Pair 6. Cock := Cobalt Spangle(sf) Violet(sf) Hen := Sky Blue Aust Grey(sf) PROGENY-PERCENTAGE DESCRIPTION 6.250 % Cobalt 6.250 % Cobalt Aust Grey(sf) 6.250 % Cobalt Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) 6.250 % Cobalt Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Violet(sf) 6.250 % Cobalt Aust Grey(sf) Violet(sf) 6.250 % Cobalt Spangle(sf) 6.250 % Cobalt Spangle(sf) Violet(sf) 6.250 % Cobalt Violet(sf) 6.250 % Sky Blue 6.250 % Sky Blue Aust Grey(sf) 6.250 % Sky Blue Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) 6.250 % Sky Blue Aust Grey(sf) Spangle(sf) Violet(sf) 6.250 % Sky Blue Aust Grey(sf) Violet(sf) 6.250 % Sky Blue Spangle(sf) 6.250 % Sky Blue Spangle(sf) Violet(sf) 6.250 % Sky Blue Violet(sf) Summarised Number of Progeny Types (excluding hidden traits) := 16 Pair 7. Cock := Sky Blue Dan Rec Pied Cinnamonwing Hen := YellowFace Mutant 2 (sf) Sky Blue PROGENY-PERCENTAGE DESCRIPTION 25.000 % Sky Blue 25.000 % Sky Blue Cinnamonwing 25.000 % YellowFace Mutant 2 (sf) Sky Blue 25.000 % YellowFace Mutant 2 (sf) Sky Blue Cinnamonwing Summarised Number of Progeny Types (excluding hidden traits) := 4 I have excluded any splits and have not broken it down into sexes but some of the pairings can produce quite a number or variations. If you want a copy of the reports I still have them on file and can email them too you. Just PM me your email address. Not sure if I can attach docs to PM messages or not.

I use and sell the Avian Genetic Calculator. Try this link Pearce see if this helps. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2761/genetics/gendex.html