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better do it soon then :what: well done gb. that's great. I've only got an older photo, but can take a new one on the weekend. Here the old one of Sherbert: can you picture him next to my albino hen the chick and the norm grey wa boy please im not changeing my mind just want to see him in capasison from memorry he looked smaller than he was

when you say this nubbly do you mean to pair best to best or do you mean say i have three hens and 3 cocks two great two avrage andto very avrage do you mean pair best to best avrage to avrage andlastly very avrage to very avrage or should you put best to av and best to av in both first to pairs and justkeep outher two not so spesh ones in case something goes wrong ????sorry

no afence taken i do ask questions of everyone lol i think i drive most of them nuts just ask pt(chookbreeder) he will tell you itake my cam to every show and i got regardless of if i have birds or not and its been the not part mostly lol when i said seperate i mean to see what you ment lol not to breed them that way sorry im not to good at explaining me i relize its a time thing and i got that plenty of it i am going to do okay im not fully competitive i do it more for me but am like i said getting my stud up first before i show thanks again and yep will let you know when i post pair for opinion :bow:

well if it isnt an albino you can get grey or blue as im thinking you know you only get green if both birds are not split blue so mum must be split blue good to note that down for future

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okay so what i have got for my lesson is 1) i have all the birds + more to beable to get started 2) i dont need to do two lines as the birds features all need to be improved a pone (which is the fun of it all as you stated somewhere ) 3) i need to balance my birds out into 3 groups feather ,, wighth n size , and head features as in direction and blow 4) breed my lacewings to normals and split them off and breed my splits to normals to split them off and possably gain a lacewing here and their 5) dont cull any birds that are lacewing for at least one whole year 6IX , birds with dominant trates if they are better or have the quality i need can be used and then sorted out at latter date as these birds if the trate incorporates into the visual form of lacewing can still be used as a stud bird well im very thank you to you for your time and your effort im hopeing others got out of this as much as i have i know one thing i do tend tolean towards the old show look but to me thats the birds i like more type y i will over time corporate these more cat like rounded feature's latter on in my stud i am really still just playing and learning how to get diffrent things into each bird i feel i may still be a tad green behind the ears when it comes to wha ta good birds actually is but thats so hard to deturman as so many diffrent judges out their with diffrent veiws on things im happy i now understand where my birds truley lack thank you and do belive i have the right birds to incorporate whats needed to one day have quality consistent birds when features and feather are involved i wont post anymore pics as i have almost 100birds i could ask you about your a i think im going to add mylacewing pairrings into this thread in future and that way i canget your comments were im going and if im actually heading in the right place or if i may be going to make a big boo boo if you dont mind not the whole lot eggs tochicks just pairs im considering pairring would you be happy to comment if i did this and if something was vry wrong then let it be known so i dont go back from where i get to obviously my green opaline pairring was my first serrious atempt at improving on my lacewings this has been very interesting and knowledgeable again my thanks :bow:

im glad this is helpping others as it helps me i thought it may be a good aproch to see where im going wrong and as im no good with com this was the easyest way to do this with nubbly i was very lucky when nubbly put her culls on here that she went out of her way so much top help me get them and freaight them here and i dont want to waste them why im trying to see where to go with them im thinking two lines i can cross over into eachother at latter date but i will ask about that latter on in my quest yes i didnt know what it really was with the cin / boy but i knew i had to keep him hes the first bird most people point to and say got to go okay so as far as the nest feathers go i didnt actually want to put them in to the line im breeding your birds into i wanted to keep seperate line as i want to try keep the look your birds have they are from very good stud im told so will keep theboy well he does have very good back ground so yes is one them birds that will achive me alot im told he breeds alot better than himself and the hen well im really not sure if i should put her in your line of birds or keep her in the other line with the nest feathers here is the boy next to the cin grey hen i thought i may add him tothe line im breeding fromyour boys or should i cross his children over latter on ??? and i have milton he throughs very nice chicks hes split lacewing he had been plucked also in this picture hes short in the mask but his got the genetics to give some good chicks im not sure what type of hen he needs though and of course i have these sweeties whom are quiet nice size i will find some pics of my other birds do you put light blue into lacewing lines see i was under belief you only put dark factor and as i want to start on the right foot i dont want to be getting dark light and medium if i can help it any thoughts on that

darl i didnt expect you todo this all in one day you did so much for me im starting to understand what im doing wrong im sure by end of this ill have what faults i keep choossing in my birds knuckled out so far i look at the finer bodyed birds ive relized any day your readt does not need to be tomorrow you just take your time i thank you so much imhopeing to cut my stock back and this is going to helpme decide where and how and what i to am in brain ach land im going to try to sleep as i have not been ableto of late i will put more pice myself another day would apreshiate when you havetime to comment on allthe birds the cinn / lw boy too i really want to know my birds good and bad points thats the thing i am byest about abit thank you

thanks nubbly i do understand and im glad we did it hear as i can print it out i got a few more birds upmy sleave i got side tracked okay here is a lacewing cock i just got and a young nest feather hen she is bigger than the adult lacewings and solid here is a youngnest feather cock also i have just got resently but both very young cant be breed for long time hes a bit heavy on the wing but then he was not settled in what you think of them three the first one is an 08 cock other two are 010 not sure they have molted as yet even a split lacewing cock and ....

he does look better hun just dont return him to earliy as you know and keep up fresh clean water as so he doesnt dehidrate dropsome on his beak soitrolls inmouthif you dont see him drinking

i totally get what your saying i at moment are consentrating on bettering my stud before bothering to even try show something i know wont even be looked at so to speak yes their will be ones along the way i can place on show bench but im trying to work on my stud fors i suspect this may take a few years i know all about tossing out a good bird a i sold one mymost important peaces to my lacewing line how ever im very lucky to beable to get him back i was not to well at the time and also bit undesided as to what i was breeding for i figure if i had good splits why keep a smaller visual i learnt that lesson twice now :rofl: but im thankful to be getting an important peace of my stud back :rofl: i do take pics at all shows and i do look to my fav studs for lesser birds and i do stick to only few studs but i have found that in eccence this is fine but in reality i need jut at least two maybe 4 good birds as you said with good feather i do have a few with these qualitys but nothing i can put to lacewings i got this boy of yours he has a bit better quality than my other birds his face is a defenent better quality than my others hes split lacewing and blue i have his half bro also still as far as birds with feather qualitys their about all i got i have some nice birds but the 4 birds i got from you are the best feathered birds a part from a yf cobalt i was gifted and another few i have but as i said cant go into a lacewing line so where do i go from here do i cull back my cocks that are not really any good although their lines are good or do i try them first my lines inclued borg n skivington birds paoli birds flanagan birds house birds rowe brothers birds all these breeders have similar blood lines kk mcvilly watson n manis gazzard and flanagan n sheppard running through their stock all my birds are from their lesser stock and nothing over 20 thirty each usually give or take the 50 dollar bird i found all the birds i payed more for did nothing for me and or i didnt like as much as my cheeper lesser stock with bit better quality in features i do feel that if i do not find something better than whats around i may just have to pay something rediculous i tryed to at the auction but fate would not let me nor would my pocket and only a odd one from here and their eg splat and a few gifted but these ones are the ones with the feather just not the varierty needed to breed my lacewings why i almost gave them up here is other birds i have but i dont think i can use in my lacewings the grey is / ino so hes out the spangles out i could use the light green opaline boy would he be good for the lacewing hen hes not overly large but a cf1 breed cock so from good stud this hens spangle so not good my lacewing line but shes got the face this splats breed hen and of course i have your boy hes breeding at moment and thanks very much to lealotta the beautiful sherbet is to return home soon we are going to do a swap for something she can use in her stud from mine shes decided on my yf sky violet /ino /op /cin boy chick thankyou lealotta im very greatful to you he is part of the back bone to my lacewing breeding success if im to succeed in them at all im deturmin too i can of course use your boys but im not sure how to do this best im compleatly lost all my good hens are spangles i got your boy to a spangle now i bet i get a spangled lacewing gr

stress ingeneral can cause this in breeding birds splat my lacewing died from stress not canker or psittacosis like it looked autopsy showed nothing not megga cf said he belived it to be more likely stress related and extra enigy foods should have been given and heatr im glad hes getting better

probbly better for small breeder like me rip where would i find these ???

is that how you tell sour crop macka thankyou mate and very useful bit of info their cheers how would you flush it out though via crop needle ??

thread will be here when your ready i dont expect awnsers straight up okay i will cheack out the yf thread once again i thought i had it down pat dam

the dad has a great face and head....nice mask and spots. i am happy to swap sherbert for the yf violet sky blue baby. will you visit your sister anytime soon? im sure we can arange something hes getting better and better i just looked at him before and went wow cause hes actually turning violet so we better do it before i change my mind lol can you post picture of sherbert up for me please again i only kept this one chick from the clutch also he is only the third cock i have kept this year im still happy to swap as i really should never of parted with sherbert in first place i thank you for this big time why im letting go a important bird to my stock he also got second in the club show for yf class out of beginners he was second as my yf hen came first so i got first and second in the beginners class with them both

i brought him as a grey green violet yf i was under the understandings birds are or are not yf and you can not get a bird split for yellow face as its a semi dominant genetic that they call it split for yf as they dont really know as hes green untill breeding which when i breed him to my albino i got a sky violet yf and to my lacewing hen before she died she layed one egg i fostered it and got a yf violet from him their two so whos it work then please i really need to understand this as i truley thought you were or werent yf unless df yellow facewhere your white but produce all yf which he does not also im working on stud first shows at latter stage so yf not issue to me now this was his daughter at five weeks his son also five weeks him in aviary so what does he lack i can see that yes he lacks feather and bit of height i thought his face was okay her is his other son but again to a very lacking hen so all in all my stud so far lacks feather yes i can see that i guess i have been trying to work on putting the variety back into the variety if that makes scenes well i have your boy but he is split lacewing what about this this boy might be split though to lacewing not sure only maybe we just dont get sold birds like one you showed me as thats what people keep even if you have the money even auction doesnt offer birds like that

so you agree needs more so splitting her is the best idea cool as this is what i was going to do can i ask she is opaline isnt she ?? i have probblems with lacewings telling :fear okay so i was going to split her to this boy what do you think only prob is hes opaline and hes yf but im fine with that i can fix any problem that may acurre latter on but i dont have many normals that are not split opaline anyhow hes my ownly half decant sized bird with head and wighth what you think and his chick come out with perfect Opaline and incase your wondering my birds are all molting hence no tails on some and scruffylook

if you do lay concreate make sure its on a angle draining eitheir to front or back to let exess water run off this asists with cleaning if you ever may need to wash out also bit of sand ontopof concreate is great as stops you needing to scrap out floor with scrapper you just sweep it up and then the garden enjoys it cover the roof at least half in if not three quarters at least also buy a lock i have cameras :fear but even pets get let out and stolen by just young kids board also Gard from draft if show birds

okay had some tech probs their okay so next i have my only lacewing hen of breeding age shes 08 she to me lacks in most areas but thats as the lacewing hen i had first and got ride of in my opinion was a good size this hen is better in wing marks and has some spots so a bonus not to bad in head qualitys but all in all around same quality of my own breed albino hens she will be great though to upgrade in to split lacewings and she stands nice and again from good blood and stock so thats got to be a plus i only aquired her recently i guess all i can say bad about her is shes a lot smaller than i thought she would be and not as much feather around the face as i thought or above the head but nice hen and given her background i may actually be shoked when placed with the right type of cock thats where you come into it nubbly toimprove on this gal what type of cock is needed ??? whats her good and bad points please if any her she looks quiet nice are my eyes in my a$^%$# with this bird :fear tryed to get wing shot here shes more settled and looks nicer to the eye okay vertict please um i dont know why their all side ways i did rotate them all do you need them again mate ????

thank you for that infor m i must be really lucky then as i give that first up to all my sick birds before i can get them seen if i dont know what it is so far i been lucky and its picked them up a bit so what should we give instead of meds intill we know whats wrong i just thought if it was megga it would help till she got to vet to find out if was cannker or megga but supressing wont help that :fear justmake harder to tell

their is many different threads with aviary designs and tips check them out hun you need to mouse proof whole aviary not just floor

splat i was told never medicate till you know whats wrong only to give bit red cordiel in water and squeeze lemmon freash seed and after three days freash water and warmth no mater how it comes light warm room i prefer warm room it settles belly aparently if he lasts that then id go to vet but my book says the canker is most likely cause in this stage of breeding if vomit is sighn and lassitude suddenly apper in cock if no other cabbinets afected :fear i hope that helps im looking up other possibilitys it says for vommiting megga treatment or canker treatment dirty nostrills streptococcus tratment gas in crop antibiotics and canker treatment tail bobing fungal treatment thats for ill cock in breeding cabbnit with chicks from first chick to at feathered stage

well what im planing on doing is breeding normal black winged /lacewing cocks to either cinnamon or black wing hens is that right and any cinn/lacewings to black winged hens okay so i got one good bird YEA lol wings i can fix and i think shes just freightened as she took while to sit still :fear okay next this hen is a mp1 yf light green cinnamon opaline she is from very good breeding and produces way better than herself to any cock i have paired her two she has enough direction feather around her face to inhance this into her chicks if the rich cock is provided als she has good size in her overall size but smaller hen so needs good size cock bird she sits nice and i love her posture opaline is not bad either i like her line on her overal shape wings are a tad heavy but i can fix that she has sholders i think ?? this is type hen i look for most time when i cant find a really good bird and find that they usually work good with most cocks

so we pretty much agree with what she has wrong okay so its not the back line its the bottom end so as far as back line goes is she good ??? her mother had same cut off why i got ride of her i didnt think it was the father why he is with a quality hen now to see what he has okay next hen this hen is a grey cinnamon hen she is only been breed once but nothing came from it as had a big storm killed all eggs in shell very close to hatching so... shes a sh9 breed hen with some class to me she sits nice she has great deepth in her mask her above head feather is of good height shes a tad nipped in the feather around cere here lenghts good not as broard as the green opaline but still good size shes the best normal i could find and still is to date :fear what do you see what type feather does she seem to have also the opaline green whats her feather just a guess also im not sure i got you with the hen to cock thing the same of each or 3 hens to one cock or two to one ???sorry