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no picture i had was not this one the picture i had was when she came to me she was thi and very gawky not nice at all but i was looking at colour at time more than show bird quality's as i was not rally ready to go full into show birds at that stage just toying with few pairs ' as we all take time to relize colour is last features come first colour comes easy features do not she was brought as colour not looks kazzy actually took the pics as kazzy had her for three months i think till i got her i have sooo many birds pics going back 4 years its really interesting actually to see where i started and that i still have the pics of all my birds ive ever owned and chicks ive breed growing up from nest to feather to adult most people on this forum have brought too so thats even nicer to see their all doing well from 2006 on to now so lots to go through i will find it im sure

oh wow mate you must be happy with them two chicks so so beautiful

i love the grey but wow kaz they are all so lovley whats her chick count now over how many years shows you have a good clue as to whats going on to be foundering your stud so well with such a good hens genetic make to all your best cocks

bar ha ha ha it me gb the gsta lol pmsl oh oh my omg this game has turned my truly crazy mwah ha ha ha im lets see um mmmm dave mc now i know its a very lllllllll ooooooooo nn g shot but he is fun i know he can play

little toe is fine i will get pics for you of him/her she /he has been fed very well by his foster mummy along with her own two chicks and one more of little toes full bro /sister and a chick from a skyviolet splat hen to a sky violet cock thing is i lost what chick is what amids the drama of keeping little toe alive but im sure i will work it all out later on

nate for you to be breeding a pair of budgies that means one male and one female the males may not of had fights but they may of come in and out the nest or she may of got of eggs due to them trying to get her atention of who to mate with her first for second round distracting her from sitting corect eggs can addle from being left on and off a bird should not leave nest for more than the timeit takes to eat and drink then return to keep eggs warm if in aviry the distance from food to nest also may be to far cages are the only way to go unless you have a working colany which you have not or have not been able to achive so if i was you id just buy a cage and try it or make one its not that hard an old tv unit or cubbord easily transforms use you emadjanation but please try it just once you will be very pleased to see live healthy chick and happy mum and dad

good to see you av sorry its for such a bad reason your poping in hope blue gets better could he of got a tad food poisoisining mabe just an idea it can happen easy and comes on suddly bet luck vets is best was blue ever with your other birds that were ill as i think that its also possable that has flared up again if he was so i would go to vets myself just to be safe good luck with him

lol kaz to be honest im not sure i can tell anymore but its possible i think anythings possible with this pairing it was a flash used in most shots as my room is how i like it dark

Some good points there GB, I was actually thinking along the same lines. After posting about possibly fostering eggs, I remembered someone saying it was worth trying a drop of ivermectin on the preen gland of chicks at about 9-14 days old (not sure why that age but it seems to be what i remember?). I have 'heard' this worked, but its hard to say. Can only try right? I dont doubt for a second I already have the virus responsible for french moult throughout my aviary. I have been reading studies recently that mention that the virus is present in some 90% of most aviary birds, not just budgies. It displays differently depending on the species, but as far as budgies go it is the chicks and fledging birds that are exposed to it for the first time that suffer the most. Birds exposed when not moulting show little to no signs/effect from the virus. Whether they 'french moult' or not, all birds exposed once build up immunity for it and SOME go on to be active carriers/spreaders. Because it is a virus that stays with the bird (like how the coldsore virus stays with humans and flares up when we are run down) - they shed the virus during times of stress - breeding, change of ownership (new birds), summer heat, moulting etc. THIS is why newly purchased birds breed more moulters than others - because they are stressed from breeding, new social system, new feed system and possibly heat as well. I bought birds 2 years back, and had french moult in a couple of nests with those new birds. The next season (the 2009 season) I didnt buy ANY new birds and I had ZERO french moult. I went to a colour breeders meeting, and EVERYONE who bought in new birds had really bad french moult and a terrible breeding season with dead chicks or infertility. I bred more from 6 pairs than some did with 40 pairs (seriously). Another interesting thing I learned is that there are three distinct variations of the virus present in new zealand. So it is possible that while your birds may all have built up immunity and share a common strain, and the aviary you are buying some birds from also have birds who are immune to it and havent had it in their chicks - well it might be a different strain and when you introduce it to your aviary close to breeding time - suddenly BOOM you have french moult again. So based on that, Im (personally) inclined to disagree with all those who kill (cull) french moult babies or refuse to breed from them. Why? Its in all your birds anyway, whether you see them as moulters, runners or not. The fact that my french moult causing birds bred NO french moult the next season supports this idea for me as well. As far as cinnamon goes, im not really opposed to it to be honest. Here is my real problem - I somehow came to an idea that I really need to build up and focus on a good line of normals, preferably blues. With a good line of normals, you can then bring in one great spangle, or pied, or cinnamon or opaline or whatever you like, and then begin to create a seperate line or a seperate 'family' within the same line. But having a great line of normals is really a huge advantage when wanting to branch out and breed quality ANYTHING. It is possible to just buy quality cinnamons or opalines and start breeding them together, but for some reason I am very very focused on developing a good line of normals. Partly because they are SO RARE. Who would think normals are rare? Well they do seem to be just that. Cocks are all split for something, hens are all sex linked or any old combination (because most of their dads are split for something!). Good normals are rare as hens teeth and almost never for sale here. My main problem with the cinnamon hen is she is really small. HUGE parents, but small herself. So hoping to go back to the breeder and find out if any of the cocks I purchased are related (from the same line) and cross my fingers that the good breeding (putting aside her visual looks) turns out for my benefit with a good pairing decision based on 'genetic potential'. See how we go anyway. I always have my new light green opaline cock and my beautiful hens I bred myself :party0011: i understand what your saying about the normals im breeding my own normals also im not so worryed about breeding normal cocks yet just get the hens first then if i can breed as you said a nice spangle not split to anything then i can start my own line of normals with him and all my hens if i can buy in one good spangle that is not split anything like op and cin even better to put to my own breed normal hens then i will get normals and spangles split .....nothing yea

okay finally an update on this pair well all eggs were transpered and out of them 6 out of seven fertile and still incubating 4 yes yippy two have hatched one little one strugled as all these eggs were slow developers as they got chilled so i had to watch very close for due date then wait a day or to and if egg not hatched had to craddle egg to see inside what was going on this was very hard but with my new budgie book by dr what ever his name is i was able to antisipate each hatchlings stages and save the first two chicks from a hatching death as these chicks were weaked with the chilling of the egg development was interupted a tad ending in egg sacks still not finished yet chick trying to hatch and urinating in egg and this in turn poisioning themselfs or sufficating not sure which anyway i saved first one with help of a really good first time mother she fed chick straight up and kept it warm and while it was half in shell still eatting up its one day left of supplyed yoke sac i was very impresed it lived she then took rest of egg off herself the next chick was in diffrent nest and not so strong when hatched itssac was totally gone but it had poo surounding it when i helpped him /her out i put under hen to warm up and be fed but this hen also first time mum didnot feed it so i feed it some cream out fridge on tooth pick stuck it back then it still was not fed 4 hours later so i took it and fed it farrex and again put back then it was still not fed i rang kaz for some idea tossing of whom to put her under out of my 4 hens then fed her and put under designated hen crossed finger set alarm for 6 am to look if was fed i fed it last at 1200 am as im c r a p iset my alarm wrong and awoke at 11 am i jumped up quicker than anything and ran into front room to find ............................. the little chick still kicking yet still not fed however alot stronger and it cheeped yeah it cheeped so i put in nest above with hen who had other 4 chicks all day apart and she fed him her straight way :party0011: so here is some pics of little crooked toe named by my son as he said it looked like a littl;e crooked pinky toe look how tiny i had to start with a fine twig then move to a match stick when he started to suckle all full and my little gal happy with our achievement me about to put back to bed this was all done in the warm surrounds of my fire place

yes thats her but pics i got she was not that nice she was at the gorky stage people forget they look great then they go gawky for months before turning out their true potential i will keep serching for picture you will know what i mean

okay so it seems im colour blind as looks like i have two cin eyed chics as dad is split cin i wont know if they is just hens and cinnamon spangle or if their are both df spangles still to cold for pics sorry will take into my romm for photo shoot next few days

i also like that chick their doing good mate and they are good chicks and you do have some good birds and you do know what your doing so its all good from where i see it the brother to my splat hen and the dilute if you cull any of them at all thats / dilute id be very interested as not only same line but split dilute and im needing that as dilute in my binos but splat do me a favour dont cull anything till 18 months from that line as their slow developers i will post picture your hen when i got as she looked **** why you would have culled her

yep very good post thank you ive been not to well so excuse my none input my birds as nubbly said come from good breeding and i knew this,so.. i looked for the darkest best marked Opaline hen i could find to put with this boy as last time i put him to a white Opaline lacewing hen and all i got was thumb print wings very lightly marked i sold the chick it was so bad i also culled the mother i knew he had nice Opaline genetics as his daughters came out perfect so knew it was mums trate as the two lacewing chicks were boys and this time as i amused would happen the gals got dads great treat and the cinnamon was deeped by the pairing of the two normal wings the mothers nice opalineing was passed on to the cock also from this clutch i will get pics of these three chicks soon (the light green opalines from clutch) dean he was the father the fosters were a spangle and a grey / ino i do want to breed normals but i also wanted the challenge of breeding beautiful lacewing op with out the thumb print that most hold its why i decided to breed show birds to try and better their quality of variety as well as the overall bird this will take time but with what i was taught when young im feeling its paying off

no its me gb um nubbly

i think you will be suprized at what you get from the opaline cinne blue hes split to that right ? hes a beautiful bird also the cin hen id be pairing them up even if she was a slight molter you dont need to move eggs to another nest as the virus would get in egg before they hatch this just giving risk of your other birds picking virus up and passing it to their healthy chicks i know your not dim and know lots lots more than myself but i found that if you breed a bird that was fm aflickted but not shedding when breed which she should not be anyhow as wont be molting then the chicks are fine if you ivomectom chicks at two weeks before feathering on rump i found this has prevented the moult in chicks threatening to have the viris look about their feather quills in saying that this is in nests free from might or moths so i do believe theirs something in this method and im still looking into it but seems to have stopped a bad run i had two seasons ago so,.... regardless i think they are a good pairing and love or hate cinn hens are needed spec opaline ones great birds by way

second chick hatched but as a foster also hatched at same time well im not sure who is who but time will tell their alive thats what counts :hap:

Yes hay rach do you know how to mix the ivomect propply or do younot have to mix the cattle pour on one ?? ill buy some from u if you want i just about out :hap: Hey GB, I have cattle one. I will give you some next time i see you or do you need it sooner? Don't have to mix cattle one. cool no rush i need to do all birds by end august though so if your going to next meet that would be fine would really appreciate it cheers well sort something out

thats great i really do wish you luck :hap:

thats ace but me and cheese puffs equals no mediums to work with :hap: same as any other food substance im just a pig guess the up side is you can lick your fingers when done

Yes hay rach do you know how to mix the ivomect propply or do younot have to mix the cattle pour on one ?? ill buy some from u if you want i just about out :hap:

looking good splat im interested to see what you get from three particular sky boys these chicks are nice darl i spesh like the little green and the sp sky :hap:

Well done Nubbly. This information is what beginning breeders need to help boost their confidence and to help them know the pedigree of their birds, and how they compare. The fact you went and looked to find out how Victoria has done previously shows what a good heart you have in helping another breeding, perhaps future competition even, out. GB is obviously on the right track and your positive reinforcement is a great thing to behold. Well done. i thank you for the encouragement darl and i really thank you for all your help as dave as said you really do and have gone out their forme and not justlatley when i got the boys as if it was not for your kindness and help i would never of got them in first place besides i have faith in me and to be honest if anything gets me up their withmy birds it will be because of that and because im very very choosy with trying to keep my birds to my likeing also second chick today arived just one slight prob could be the foster chick as they all due today black eye too so im sure i will beable to tell when older eithr way im keeping them all anyways so time will tell the egg was marked but the mark was gone and dave thank you for your kind remark i hope im on right trake i know my birds are the best of the worst i could get and i dont think their is alot of comp with the lacewings i should look it up myself some how or at least ask someone

Its always been my way to know I had a DF hatch in a nest, but once the cinnamon theory was put forward I thought that made sense too. it would make sence so why are df born with plumb eyes and could it be conected with the cinn theroy or not at all

no i dont go up against them luckly lol id have no chance in *** so to speak im up against the beginners their are a few of us then theirs the intermediates and open then champion but we only have the one set of champion breeders in our club we get alot of birds on night so its good we dont just win against self for club judging but you do sometimes if your only one with that verity im not sure exactlyhow it works but they do young birds ubcs and that like you would at a show then the choose overall best ubc on night and best young bird on night ithink honestly i really dont understand it all i was just asking other night who they where up against at club night intermediate i think or open depending on how many birds i think was answer but no no i dont go against champion breeder in club thank goodness lol be pointless trying but what i was saying is that as i work up the ladder im sure the boys would be happy for a new person to put birds against in club that breeds lacewings another person breeds them also in our club but i never seen one their yet so i dont plan on staying in beginners to long but i dont expect to be in intermediate to soon either