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Very good idea to keep them for at least 12 months! Even those average looking babies can really surprise you and that is especially true for lacewings which I've found tend to mature later and not really feather up until after their second moult. thanks nubbly for that and as you said it take lacewings and albinos time to mature usually best time to breed them is second year for better rezults as the do tend to mature slower splat my compute spells everything wrong and says stuff i dont even want it to its got computer Teretze f@$%#^&%&k en^%*$( di%*$ f^&K f8^&%^ 7**** f@$%#^&%&k en^%*$( di%*$ f^&K f8^&%^ 7**** f@$%#^&%&k en^%*$( di%*$ f^&K f8^&%^ 7****

it is not hard to tell a lacewing hachling as being a sexlinked gene all pink eye chicks will have to be lacewing unless you dont know your birds background history (as with albinos the cock is only able to produce albino hens ) but they can produce normal hens also and only some of the cocks will be split lacewing if the gene is passed on but thats just a bonus really :fingerscrossed: genetics are not really that hard if i can do them anyone can i know i get confused here alot but its due to putting things wrong and stuff not knowing the terminology but i know exactly what im doing in my head

very lovley nubbly and that grey im with dave wow

We have a member called Macka and he is a real character and to boot just happens he was having a say about all the birds being classed as sky violet :wine :hb: this is one of the funnier sides of a coincidence if ive ever hear one

welcome

at two to 4 days i said hen but now im not sure the other one was a cock forsure although he didnt need to be with us he was badly deformed leg wize he went to new home but he went down hill over night for the best personally

very nice kaz splat i like the second pied down

im not the same as most people i take my birds out if no egg within 12 to 14 days but thats not to say that birds carnt take longer 4 weeks would be the limit i would keep them caged as they need to exisize as for the pink bit i have no clue im ashuming she is a albino for you to say that in which this is okay may be the colour shes masking doing this if not a albino then i dont know

well they have lovley fat litle legs a good sign they have been rung already last one will be rung tomorrow the feet are big

okay again bad picture but this bubys today get better pics tomorrow

so i went out tonight and took some more pics im not that good at my new cam so please excuses them i will get some of the doms tomorrow with my phone cam as i tryed but all i got was bodys and no heads lol here is my albino taking a guess does any one think they can tell the sex ??? here is an idea what the pics of the doms looked like

yes balance dave we are all right their is no wrong and only reason i havent doxyed yet is that the vets advised me not to he said my birds are very well and so long as i treat all incoming birds in the responsible manner i shouldnt need to doxy like kaz i have all the treatments just unless they have sighns they are left of course if one bird has something im going to treat the whole flock as most likely they all going to get it prevention is okay if in measure and as dave said balance

okay i know where your comming from but myself i dont breed with unwell or sick looking birds i have only a small stud and belive in keeping it that way for a while as for birds that are unhealthy i dont have a problem with that i clean my cages dayly apart from when chicks start to leave nest when i start to allow deep litter all my birds are treated for the basic things and quarantine not as stricked as some of you but if i even think a bird is not well i actually take it and get tested regardless of how much out lay i am going to spend in future to come or already have as i said i just had a vet out to test all my birds as i have brought a few resently he sampled each bird and tested crops he was very impresed with the colour as in strength and their feather quality (im not talking as in what show people look at )my birds dont ever just sit in one corner and i dont have my birds caged for months breeding i breed one clutch then fly then i rotate my pairs i clean my bird room dayly and water and feed also i had a nest with a french molt today my first one ever in 3 years of getting back into breeding and that whole clutch is going so are the mum and dad i dont tolarate flightless or listless birds if a bird is looking not its norm its straight out of the aviry for a week if it does not pick up its to the vets and even then if its not the vet it stays seperate for 2 months time i would not pay hundreds for a bird as i belive your just asking for troubble breeding massive hens and overly large cocks i am very selective of my birds brought and dont go on who has best feather i go on marks and quality in stance and proportion in the bird length of mask and spots is important to me as i need to make up for the lack of mass but id rather have slimmer taller birds than big fluffy ones who sit fluffed all day long my bird room is not dusty and is warmed by the sun naturally and cooled by the large tree that shades it im learnning how to tell what micronisems are what so i can reconize things in my birds myself all birds will be tested before entering my flock as they are now only it wont cost me 16.50 a bird as i will be able to test myself if and when my birds get sick i will treat them but only then my aviry is covered fully and totally rodent proof and i clean it weekly and change pertches often cleaning any existing structures down with vinegar why treat for something when you dont need to it brings their amunity down even more and fertility with it we are all diffrent and we all do things as we see is best myself i breed for enjoyment over a ribbon or a trophy and my birds will always come first before any prospective good chicks i may get if i buy mr big bird from the top blood line thats been stuffed chocers with vitermins doxy and calciam ect ect not all the well establish breeders use the metod you talk about and their the ones i will be buying my supper birds from when the time comes but for now i guess im just a novist so.... if im wrong i guess i will learn the hard way as for my birds they are very happy and healthy and get all the nurishment they require with in my feeding plan you have a wonderful set up and some great birds you treat them yearly and belive this is best i dont tell you it is wrong or neglectful and i do take afence to your post my way is practiced by many it is ia wifes tail that all the good breeders medicate as the dont

wow i thought i was the only one out their that believed this its true though my fertility is and has always been great unless i put birds that are not in condition up out of excitement lol eg my albino pairing mmmmmmmmmmm

You guys were kinda going off on a tangent and offtopic To add to the discussion on fertility................ I find that birds new to your stud ( bought in or transported birds ) rarely do well first rounds. Second round usually much better once settled in some more. All my Gary Armstrong birds have super fertility. Re medicating. I do not as a rule cyclic dose my birds. if they show symptoms of something they get treated. My birds are in a happy place right now with regard to their immunity levels....fingers crossed. can i say something ....... i think in regards to medicating that birds should only be medicated if required due to illness or symptoms if your birds are given the right amount of vitamins and other essentials for their survival then the don't show signs of listlessness so long as the base things have been covered worming ivomectom every 3 months and in my case as i have dirt floor baycox every 6 months to stop birds from getting cossidia bird rooms with heating is my main concern so many breeders do this not only does it mean that the birds have to adjust if sold to possibly a cooler environment and alas never usually make it but the heat encourages bacteria and fungus fungi ect breathing becomes affected and earlier death is usually the out come birds living 6 to 7 years rather than their 16 to 18 years of age i am certainly breeding for showing but im not going to try get the ball of feathers and light built frame most breeders go for im breeding for long lean big chested birds with a nice proportion about them out in the good old natural settings with good old natural foods suplyed only extra my birds get is pvm in breeding cage when chicks hatch along with dry egg n biskit they get freash grass dayly and gum leaves in breeding cabnit as well as aviry along with many other goodys all my birds get same things exept the breeders get the pvm powder thats the only diffrents not added calcium to water no nothing and they been thriving infact i had the vet come out and test all bird and they got a clear report for everything and i got complamented on my set up which i actually thought was dodgie so basiclly i belive in dont try fix if it isnt broke

As I understand the sex-linked genes, there is no way a female daughter can inherit any opaline from her mother. Is it possible that all 3 of the different fathers are all split for opaline? By the way, I am really, really learning a lot from this thread, about spangles, greywings and opalines. Kaz and G.B.'s pictures are very educational. It really helps to be able to see subtle differences. yes but unless im reading wrong i dont think any chicks have actually been opaline so were trying to work out if the chicks are white down as they are male and split for opaline from mums genetic make up you are right with what you have written

Is Macka crusty and grumpy like his namesake :rofl: :rofl: yea i wasnt sure if the bird was called macka or they were refering to being pardoned for mentioning violet :rofl: either way the bird is beautiful :rofl: prettier :hap: lovely Opaline mantal

i dont got a copy of that either lol dave you got some good ones dont be afraid they wont place or win as its all about learning whats wrong with them that's how i take the show bench that way you can get an idea as to what you need to improve all over stud

this is a beautiful pairing both yf it looks like or am i wrong ??? if so should be good to see if you get a white head in their

thanks they are all very healthy and yes fat mum and dad doing great when i went to take picture today it was dad in sitting on the young not mum shared care :rofl: will get more pics later i was very lucky kaz sent me this hen down and love her dearly for helping me out also got to mention renee as she also sent me some birds for my birthday :rofl: thank you both best present ever and first real one for many years really made my day :hap:

:rofl: woops thanks libby but it was the cam that died sorry if i wrote it wrong chicks all fine 3 healthy bubs yes i know that information-; thank you for stating this though i have to be very picky what i keep though as i only can afford to keep the best of the best and then some so but will keep all till 15 months unless i can see straight up their not for me :rofl:

alright first the albino this morning :rofl: its very cute i hope it comes along good early days yet now my doms pics not to good still getting adjusted to new cam will get better ones later the opaline grey its spots are good already and it is opaline but this pics not to good a of all things cobalt violet dont even ask but how cool is that its not Opaline i so hope its a hen the youngest one is pictured next again not Opaline badly marked to boot :rofl: okay next the second last chick grey dom the last one is missing as cam went flat but a group shot with flash so.... better one later i hope anyway

okay so i got the new cam and went out this morn i got one picture of the lacewing split x grey spangles clutch and it died i was so exited i didnt charge battery's so now its on charge and i will get more later news 3 chicks this morning :rofl: 2 dark eyes one lacewing all doing great :rofl: i will be putting in some nesting materials in next day or so after chicks all hatch

okay slow down girl.... well i dont know about the splits, splits having white down as i never really looked that far but will give you some thing to document and then maybe you could write a thread for future newbies help them out i know i would be interested as i said i personally think she is a Opaline spangle of norm color wings not to forget the clearflight part just light melamine (how ever its spelt ) on her wings from badly paired peronts also you have worked out that she is infact cobalt so... mabe mine is cobalt also i did get v sky chicks but then that could have come from the cock i will find out this time around i guess well good luck with it and as i said i would love to know out come whith the grey wing when you do this

:rofl: Do you remember the old tv show Mr Squiggle ?? Macka, you remind me of the character called blackboard :rofl: oh i love mr squiggle and your so right kazz she hit nail on the head their macka :rofl: :rofl: :hap: and a hurry on .... very funny soz macka but you got to admit