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awww I think it's cuddle time soon again!! the babies are simply gorgeous!!

hey CheekyChucky Great to see that you got the gym. hubby was hassling me to find out if you've got it already or not. Oh sorry we ran out of pink preening toy (the one with lots of fleece material)... Good to see your budgies are enjoying the playgym. And thanks everyone... I'll get Daniel to read this posts himself.

oh my, he's simply gorgeous!!! thanks for sharing the piccies!

Hooray for Bubblegum!! So there's still hope for little Goofy then..

cograts on your first spangle and first inos and first recessive. sounds very exciting. :ausb:

wow, that's amazing Daz!!

Awww Kaz, so sorry to hear about the little one. {{hugs}} RIP little one.

awww Scuttle is looking gorgeous!! he's sure loving that ball!! So cute!

good pick up Nerwen.. I just assumed the eyes are red.. Looks like you're got two gorgeous YF double factor spangle!! okay, great, I'll also need your address.. got the pink and purple, I hope you like the shade of it.

gorgeous!!

wow, look at all the different mutations from the clutch.. That radar sure is hiding a whole lot of genes in him!! I love that picture of Ollie with his eyes closed... looks so very peaceful in your palm.

Am I invited to the party with Pie comes to visit?!?!?! Aly, your set up is wonderful!!! I have been reading the posts, but haven't responded. sorry. I think you've done such a great job with them! and yes those babies looks so very happy in there flying around. and secondly, you've overtaken me in the budgies count!! hehe, I'm sure you'll be getting more.. they are way way too addictive huh!

Chucky is gorgeous! I love her colours

Aww poor bubblegum, tried to do the right thing by helping mommy feed... RIP little baby. I wonder if any will turn out like daddy in looks.. I hope not in brain though.. haha

Awwww, gorgeous!!! and yes both creaminos. Just a bit OT... Did you get my email regarding playgym?

Oh no!! Not my Buddha!! Nnnnooooooooooo.......... I'll miss that boy... he was such a gorgeous baby!!! so sorry you had to go through the lost of six birds at once. On a brighter note.. boy that Vinnie is sure Massive!!! wow...

congrats on the new aviary!! Oh hey girl, you're not far behind on the budgies count to me!! you'd pass me soon!! (Laughing out loud)... I've got 25 (one still waiting to come home from Kaz's place) at the moment, and you have 21..

I think it is a lot more common than you think about how confusing the term really is... and yes I agree that there are plenty of people out there that aren't sure of what an 'English budgies' are... but then wouldn't it be easier for you to say instead of english budgies, show budgies and pet budgies? I certainly would think that people can relate that to having show dogs and pet dogs and all that... I didn't mean go out of your way to to TEACH them. People can pick things up by reading stuff on the forum unless of course they are very very young and don't really understand as yet but that's not the point. I didn't know what 'American budgies' are when I first joined, and yet without anyone teaching me, I learnt/self taught what it meant. So by having people just mentioning it on the forum casually actually taught me that that's what it is. I don't see it as a matter of the Americans trying to claim anything (others may but I don't). In my opinion, it is wrong to call something that is not right. I don't go around calling budgies/budgerigar 'Australian budgies'.. They are NOT called 'australian budgies', BUT MERELY budgies/budgerigar! and they are distinguished into groups of show birds and non show birds (easier by calling PET BIRDS). Just like dogs... you have 'show poodles' and 'non show poodles' (not up to the standard), or in cats show burmese and non show burmese... Generally the 'show animals' will be larger in size, and have a certain stance and pose, and fur/feathers quality are much better in comparison to a 'non show (pet quality) animal'. Yes you breed them from the same breed of animals. Again, I agree, this is one of those topics that no matter how much goes into the discussions of it, people will probably have to come to agree to disagree... but it is also a good discussions as long as I don't start calling you names and flaming you and you don't do that to me (generalising here), then it'll just be a good old debate/discussions. Shawna...Actually the term American budgies aren't used in Australia at all.. there's budgies, and there's show budgies (with the occasional english budgies thrown in by the breeders who's been in show a while now). You know, I have never read in any form of text regarding budgies to use the term 'american budgies'... only in forums and blogs and all that that I have come acrossed it. I totally agree with you there Shawna. much less confusion for sure.

No you're right, it won't work. But in my opinion, for the purpose of keeping this forum as easy to understand as possible and as less confusing to new members who are new to the budgies world, the term pet and show should be used. I'm not sure if you even read my post above regarding my experience here with the term 'american budgies', but I was indeed very confused, I honestly thought that there were another 'standard' of budgies out there that I havent heard of (as to having English budgies being the show birds, I thought the american budgies were another standard for show breeding as well). Actually, to be honest, when I first found out what it meant, I was rather offended by the fact that the Americans have called the pet sized budgies the 'American budgies'... After all, England and US are not the only two countries that breeds budgies! But anyway, I got over that. but I have to say again though, it is rather confusing to say the least for those of us that aren't from the US. Again, very true, I don't think that anyone will be able to completely correct the use of incorrect terminology just because we're very used to saying what we've always used them. But let me ask you something, is it then correct and alright for anyone to go ahead and teach those of us who actually doesn't know or have never heard of the term 'American budgies' that that is what the pet budgerigars are called? Is that not same as teaching kids a poodle is called a corgi, or the sun is in fact called a moon?? Well okay, not that drastic, but I'm just trying to make a point. Oh just on that, I think there's been a few mentioned about what they are actually advertised as, and most said they are not advertised as 'american budgies' in petshops and breeders and all that, why then are there budgies being refered to as 'american budgies' on the forums and places like that on the net?? You know, the fact is you're right yet again, I don't think anyone is going to stop anyone from 'correcting the term, and you know what, most likely it'll always be the Australians that do so. And I don't see anything wrong with them correcting someone who might be using the wrong terminology. I don't see how that can be rude being that if I was calling a cat a dog, I'd wanna know that I'm referring to the species wrong, or calling something the wrong name or whatever, I think good on them for telling me as is. In fact right now, after reading the posts.. I'd really like to know how many people in this forum refer pet budgies as 'american budgies', and also where they are from. What's the bet that most people that use the term 'american budgies' are from the US, or were from there originally. (oh I don't mean anything rude or nasty by this... just like to know the statistics on this that's all)

salt is bad for birds, however if they've only gotten a tiny tiny tiny little bit accidentally, it's not going to kill them. Just makes sure that they can't get to them easily.

cosmo is gorgeous.

Here's my input on the debate... No, I don't have a problem with people using the term 'American budgies', or 'English budgies' or parakeets to term our beloved pet 'budgerigar'.. however I have to always ask by parakeets they actually mean the budgies justs to make sure that I have the right understanding of what they mean. Anyway,like I said, i have no problem of the term 'american budgies, but I just have to point out something that is of my past experience. When I first joined this forum a long while ago seeking help, I remember reading the term 'american budgies', to be honest, it confused the daylight out of me. I've never heard it being use like that. I've heard of English budgies as my uncle was a show breeder and used to refer to his show birds as English every now and then. but American Budgie? It had me in question marks, I was confused. I had no idea that by the term 'american budgies' it meant pet smaller size budgies. I've aways refered to them as budgies (for the smaller size ones) and Show budgies. the bird shops here have them as budgies and english budgies. so as you can see how confusing being on this forum as a newbie can be due to the terminology. Like I mentioned previously, I don't have a problem with any terminology for budgies being used out there on the net or wherever just as long as there's a side note that actually say what they are... It took me months to realise what it meant and even then I find it hard to comprehend still how there's an 'american budgie'.... I was once asked in another forum if I had American budgies or english budgies.. I was kinda stumped as to how to really answer that question. But truely, I could have just said American budgies since they are all the smaller size budgies, but then again, all my budgies were bred in australia, not America... why then should I call them the american budgies.. so I just said the smaller type. not for show. Budgies are bred all over the world. Talking about breed, and the size of birds.. I agree totally with what Daz said, is budgies not exactly the same..meaning you can get pet size offsprings from two show budgies and vise versa, so what's tehre to actually distinguish the different from them? 'my two American budgies bred some English budgies!' or my english budgies had some American offsprings? sounds funny doesn't it. I would rather have heard... my two pet budgies bred a surprise show size offspring and or my show size birds didn't do too well and only produced pet size budgies. Again, I do not have any problem with any terminology of budgies used as I know exactly what they mean. However I would think that for people who are not from America may find it a bit confusing to start off with in the forum when they read the term 'american budgies' as I did when I first joined.

oh Sweet... Chilli... and a second baby on another hot day... how about Pepper?? Oh did I say that I was coming over on Wednesday as well to pick up the little one?

okay, so just the spangle.. no dom pied in the mix... That's cool.. you got a a double factor dom pied lookalike baby, but I'm sure he can only be single factor... so does that mean that there are dom pieds baby out there that looks like double factor dom pied?? I mean like little Beeper? Unless someone can enlighten me how he got the look.

awww, Happy birthday Ozzie!! What wonderful toys he got!! Lucky little thing. Cute as ever!!