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Well now Blinks is flightly like Pretty that is why he gets so much excerise but Oz is like my Merlin but I think they LOOK great and the camera always adds grams

awe they are so sweet Bea

if he is visually showing the mutation he is not split for it it means he has it (if that makes sense) split means having the gene but it now showing the baby that you have that is a cinnamon would be a female since it is a sex linked gene. Females can not be split for any sex linked genes since they only have 1 x gene and 1 y gene (yes opposite of humans). BUT females can be split for recessive genes. Make sense?

who is starting it?

Oh and I didn't see the rest of the cage but do you have a variety of perches? I just see the dowel...just being nosy NO serious when you get a new cage you can buy rope perches, natural etc.. too and if you don't need that cage you can do what Bea did and sell it on e-bay at least you can get something back

Yep I asked for a better picture when I posted first pie he is a beauty and I stick with my answer until I get a better picture if you can please

Awe poor Ozzie, Bea now don't you starve my best internet budgie (shhhh don't tell Blinks - I know how he gets about Oz getting all the attention). They looks awesome

Sailor we are not picking on you we promise but they are right sure we may have all ingested rust at one point but we are like what 200x bigger then a budgie. Tephlon fumes don't kill us but they can budgies, scented candles are harmful to budgies not us (unless of course we have airway issues) the point taken just because it may be okay for us doesn't mean it is okay for the budgie. Cherry branches, at pits and apple seeds are what you are taking about that is toxic because of the natural cianide (sp?) are not harmful too us . I mean you will do what you want in the end but that little bridge is not worth loosing a baby or any budgie over. I guess my question is would you want to stand on daily with your bare feet or would you let your kids if you have any play on it? I always think this if it is not good enough for me it is not good enough for my pets but that is my thinking. Some share it some don't :-D.

Well as they say practice can make perfect in Bubblegum's case that seems to be huh . Good to hear and the babies are just sweet hearts

I would like to see the link they gave you because they are wrong you are right :hap: http://www.budgieplace.com/c_lacewing.html

Adding: quarentine is actually 30 days minimum suggested 90 days by avian vets. You would need another cage but you can get a small cage and you can always ask on the return policy too :hap: but really it is good to have 2 cages when you have 2 birds in case they 1 don't get along or 2 one gets sick and you need to separate. Shawna is right I got a small cage for 14.99 US granted it was small but I let Merlin out allot during that time for taming. Also if you borrow a cage make sure it is disinfected with a safe cleaner because you don't want to be transfering any germs that could be in that cage. Oh and again I agree maybe she is not feeling well as Shawna said that is something to consider seriously or even going through a molt or hormonal period.

My concern with getting another budgie is that they do feed off each other so it could backfire. 1. They may not get along, females tend to be nit picker then males 2. if you get another one it needs to be tamed period because if it is not then you will have 2 untamed budgies that you feel hate you and that is a even a worse situation then one This is my personal opinion I feel that you need to work with her and make sure you have the time for her before you intro a new one into the picture. From what I have read she spends most of her time alone and it really has gotten worse because not enough daily time is spent with her. I know you said you have given up but we must never give up how fair is that to her? Breaking down taming periods where she sees you more frequent is better then just 1 long one. So 15 mins in the AM, 15 mins in the afternoon and more time spent in the evening. Also adding her to your living quarters where she sees you all the time is essential if she doesn't see you during the day and then even when you are home she barely sees you that is not good. I believe a good short term goal would be that she feels comfortable with you when she is in the cage and that she is more approachable this way. Leave hands out of it as you are scared she is going to nab you anyways and she is probably scared that you are going to hurt her not that you would. I encourage you not to give up on her as Sailor said every budgies is tamable "to a certain degree". We should never give up on a pet that we ultimately brought into our homes they had no choice. I hope this isn't taken wrong just being honest :hap:

nah I don't believe it Booms :hap:

I will be awaiting your response but one thing is that budgies don't hate us or any other pet they fear us and there is good reason. We are bigger and we can hurt them not that we would. Another point is tame is in the eye of the owner. What are you looking for in tame? Budgies can learn to accept us and some will tame to a certain degree. Example, I can't compare Bea's (a member here) Blinkie with Pretty as they have 2 different backgrounds. A wonderful example also is myself personally. This is not a bird story but a cat and can be applied. My husband found a 5wk old feral kitten she learned to live in our home, accept our rules but she was never a cuddler and was scared of us pretty much all the time and kept her distance. We never hurt her till the day she passed. We recently obtained 2 free kittens from someone who rescued the mom cat. The kittens had human interaction from day one especially kids now these 2 are different. 1 is very bold and tom cat like and is not scared of anything, is sister same background is shy but trusting but she won't just walk up to us. What is the moral? Different backgrounds, different personalities are going to yield different results. You may have to accept Valerie will be shy (not hate you) and the more time you put into her she will come around more but you may never get the sit on your shoulder, preen your hair, kissy budgie you may want. I hope no one takes what I say wrong, just adding to the post. It saddens me when people say my pet hates me when that is not the case at all.

When you call companies make sure they say for birds just because it is non toxic for babies doesn't mean anything. Fumes from teflon are not toxic to us but to a bird it can kill :hap:. I also found that statement in my adventure for an answer for you.

hugs Sailor :hap:

really pretty Karen

what a cutie from the pics here he looks male :hap:

I agree with Bea too :hap:

they are gorgeous and they certianly are enjoying themselves :hap:

The space bars should be no more then 1/2 inches for budgies that looks more like a cockatiel cage.

adding and you have excellent advice you may want to do closed breeding which in the end would not give you the issues of colony breeding :sad:

How often does Valerie spend time alone during the day? How often do you work with her on a daily basis? How many times during the week do you let her out during the week and for how long? These are important questions because the less time spent, and the less often you let your bird out the more fearful they can become of you and the outside world. Also has she had any enviromental changes? Any new additions to your home? Have you changed the time you spend with her etc?? Have you moved her cage?

can you raise the cage so he can look out the window?

Here is some information I found I am not promoting the site just good information http://eartheasy.com/article_birdsafepaints.htm From my research in reading it seems that powder coating your cage is the best from the stand point of being safe but it can be chewed off and the cage can rust which is toxic. Watch out for primers many are more harmful then the paint itself.