Late Life Father?

[ZIGZAGOON 0]

(3 year old on the left, 7 year old on the right)

 

Hey guys,

 

So I finally got my 2 new budgies.

One being an albino male (a few months old), and the other a Texas clear body male (3 years old).

 

I already have a normal budgie (7 years old) and I decided to introduce the new ones to my older budgie.

The older budgie has no interest in the young one, but has REALLY taken to the 3 year old one.

 

Me and my boyfriend have discovered my 7 year old one regurgitates its food up to feed it to the 3 year old one and it's happy to eat it.

 

Why is this?

Edited August 28, 2010 by KAZ

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Birds feed each other as a sign of bonding, and also to help supply the female with food for her chicks in the early ages of nesting.

 

Males often bond with each other, even mate with each other. It is nothing to worry about though, they are just showing that they are good friends

[ZIGZAGOON 0]

Birds feed each other as a sign of bonding, and also to help supply the female with food for her chicks in the early ages of nesting.

 

Males often bond with each other, even mate with each other. It is nothing to worry about though, they are just showing that they are good friends

 

Ah excellent,

so if it's too busy bonding with the other one, he won't show the albino one any affection?

 

I guess this doesn't surprise me too much, he was completely inlove with his mirror until I took it off him too weeks ago so he wouldn't be aggressive when I introduced them all to each other.

 

He's been a single bird for a long time.

 

If I was to add a hen to the older one, and took the other two away, would he bond with her or would he just be more likely to pine for the 3 year old?

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Birds feed each other as a sign of bonding, and also to help supply the female with food for her chicks in the early ages of nesting.

 

Males often bond with each other, even mate with each other. It is nothing to worry about though, they are just showing that they are good friends

 

Ah excellent,

so if it's too busy bonding with the other one, he won't show the albino one any affection? Probably not, but even bonded budgies don't spend all their time together

 

I guess this doesn't surprise me too much, he was completely inlove with his mirror until I took it off him too weeks ago so he wouldn't be aggressive when I introduced them all to each other. Males can be very affectionate towards different objects, like tapping their beaks on toys and mirrors etc. They are just very flirtatious birds.

 

He's been a single bird for a long time.

 

If I was to add a hen to the older one, and took the other two away, would he bond with her or would he just be more likely to pine for the 3 year old? Budgies don't really pine, he probably wouldn't show much emotion. I would discourage any breeding between a new hen the the 7yr old. While it has been done, older budgies normally aren't able to have high fertility and cocks soon start to slow down a bit around then. I would pair the new hen to the TCB.

[**KAZ** 0]

No quarantine ?????

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

No quarantine ?????

 

Some people choose not to do so.

[**KAZ** 0]

No quarantine ?????

 

Some people choose not to do so.

Some people need to be educated about the NEED for it then, dont they ?

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

No quarantine ?????

 

Some people choose not to do so.

Some people need to be educated about the NEED for it then, dont they ?

 

Yes, I think most new pet buyers do. But the birds have already been put in, and for all we know the budgies could ahve already been quarintined at another persons house.

[**KAZ** 0]

Quarantine at another persons house and being introduced to budgies at this home now is no quarantine at all.

read this....... http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=29030&hl=

 

no quarantine and now sick and dying birds.

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Quarantine at another persons house and being introduced to budgies at this home now is no quarantine at all.

read this....... http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=29030&hl=

 

no quarantine and now sick and dying birds.

 

????

[**KAZ** 0]

Quarantine at another persons house and being introduced to budgies at this home now is no quarantine at all.

read this....... http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=29030&hl=

 

no quarantine and now sick and dying birds.

 

????

 

Whats your question Squeak ?

If you read that topic there is sick and dying birds and none of them were quarantined. I am saying there is a very real need for quarantine. You seem to be defending this position ?

[**Liv** 0]

Quarantine is very important.

As we all know, there are people who fluke nothing happening when introducing new birds, but there are many how are learning the hard way about birds that are harbouring diseases.

It its your choice if you quarantine or not, but be assured that its a big risk to your birds if you don't. Some of us understand the importance of quarantine though first hand experience, and we try and save you the same pain.

 

but anyway, in answer to your question.

Your budgies are quite happy to share food. the feeding of each other is a very normal behaviour and shows affection. It sounds like they will be very happy together

[ZIGZAGOON 0]

I did ask the Bendigo breeder about any sicknesses or bugs they may give to my house budgie,

and she said they'd be fine.

 

And the budgie I already had is very healthy and free of any ailments, so I did look into it a little.

 

But next time I'll be a bit more careful, thanks KAZ for bringing this to my attention.

I appreciate it a lot.

There's still a lot I need to learn.

 

I did learn my lesson when I was around 10 and I gave greens that the family dog had urinated on and I didn't know and I fed it to my previous bird, so I now wash all greens thoroughly and make sure I don't get any greens that come from outside, close around the property.

[**KAZ** 0]

The point to make is..........

A budgie can live quite happily carrying its own set of internal "bugs". Another budgie can do the same. Its when they meet that ones mutation or variety of "bugs"does not go with the others that sickness and illness and deaths occur. Budgies can carry the nastiest of diseases in particular psittacosis.........a budgie can be a carrier and not show symptoms. Once it meets another budgie the other budgie can contract it and within a week to ten days have full blown symptomatic psittacosis and go down with runny eyes and poopy bottom and be dead in 24 hours of showing symptoms

No breeder with the right amount of knowledge of diseases and how they work would recommend a bird does not go through a quarantine process. It protects both sides of the birds introduced. The breeder who said that was being either very naive, very stupid or a little of both.

Edited August 28, 2010 by KAZ

[ZIGZAGOON 0]

The point to make is..........

A budgie can live quite happily carrying its own set of internal "bugs". Another budgie can do the same. Its when they meet that ones mutation or variety of "bugs"does not go with the others that sickness and illness and deaths occur. Budgies can carry the nastiest of diseases in particular psittacosis.........a budgie can be a carrier and not show symptoms. Once it meets another budgie the other budgie can contract it and within a week to ten days have full blown symptomatic psittacosis and go down with runny eyes and poopy bottom and be dead in 24 hours of showing symptoms

No breeder with the right amount of knowledge of diseases and how they work would recommend a bird does not go through a quarantine process. It protects both sides of the birds introduced. The breeder who said that was being either very naive, very stupid or a little of both.

 

I understand that,

After looking through other threads about the quarantining, I definitely now have a better understanding.

I have monitored them the whole time they've been in together.

No change so far.

I'm going to get in touch with my vet so I can look into buying some of the products for quarantining, and some more cages to separate my birds and be more responsible this time.

 

Again, thank you for your advice.

[GenericBlue 0]

No quarantine ?????

 

Some people choose not to do so.

some people should no better s-q were are on a public fourm trying our best to teach people to do the best things for not only their birds but them also

 

quarantine is not about

bills birds are healthy so im not going to quarinteen

its as kaz stated ,.. timmy may be very healthy but be a carrier of paraciciosses ( still cant spell or say that one )and tammy,buck n fred may all be holders of a low canker count

bringing these four birds together could be the death of timmy from canker as hes not amun to it as the others are being in their environment for so long it does not cause problem as they are not under stress

and jimmy for the other three birds is a true death sentence as as soon as he sheds with molt or starts to feed the other birds hes going to pass on his illness that he has harbored since a young chick maybe even from nest age

quarantine is very important and as a up and coming show breeder and a young person whom wishes to take part and do their best to join in and try and help others out and edgicate them on birds when its clear with alot of things you write you yourself lack the needed knowledge in most areas

im going to have to say i think you need to be very careful of what you say on here

you may choose not to quarantine and others may be with them but regardless were here to teach people the proper way to care for and introduce their birds to each other

so that they have the choise and total understanding of the consequences they may face if they neglect to do so

so

from me

quarantine is a very necessary important role of being a responsible bird owner

 

and for record i lack knowledge myself at times so im not having a go at your imput just be awear you may have people whom listen to you alot more than you would imagined it is a world wide forum after all people do have favorites to have advice from

Edited August 28, 2010 by GenericBlue

[Squeak_Crumble 0]

Quarantine at another persons house and being introduced to budgies at this home now is no quarantine at all.

read this....... http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=29030&hl=

 

no quarantine and now sick and dying birds.

 

???? :question:

 

Whats your question Squeak ?

If you read that topic there is sick and dying birds and none of them were quarantined. I am saying there is a very real need for quarantine. You seem to be defending this position ?

Sorry, I thought you were saying about the birds on here dying.

 

 

No quarantine ?????

 

Some people choose not to do so.

some people should no better :mallet: s-q were are on a public fourm trying our best to teach people to do the best things for not only their birds but them also

 

quarantine is not about

bills birds are healthy so im not going to quarinteen

its as kaz stated ,.. timmy may be very healthy but be a carrier of paraciciosses ( still cant spell or say that one )and tammy,buck n fred may all be holders of a low canker count

bringing these four birds together could be the death of timmy from canker as hes not amun to it as the others are being in their environment for so long it does not cause problem as they are not under stress

and jimmy for the other three birds is a true death sentence as as soon as he sheds with molt or starts to feed the other birds hes going to pass on his illness that he has harbored since a young chick maybe even from nest age

quarantine is very important and as a up and coming show breeder and a young person whom wishes to take part and do their best to join in and try and help others out and edgicate them on birds when its clear with alot of things you write you yourself lack the needed knowledge in most areas

im going to have to say i think you need to be very careful of what you say on here

you may choose not to quarantine and others may be with them but regardless were here to teach people the proper way to care for and introduce their birds to each other

so that they have the choise and total understanding of the consequences they may face if they neglect to do so

so

from me

quarantine is a very necessary important role of being a responsible bird owner

 

and for record i lack knowledge myself at times so im not having a go at your imput just be awear you may have people whom listen to you alot more than you would imagined it is a world wide forum after all people do have favorites to have advice from

 

I agree 100% totally, I quarintine all of my birds also. It is just sometimes people may feel a bit intimidated on here when they come ontot this forum, and some people on here get on the defensive side saying that it was so irresponsible of them not to quarintine. Personally, I never sell birds privatley without letting the person be aware of the precautions they should take if they are intorduing the birds to a new flock.

[**KAZ** 0]

I am sorry Squeak, I think you are trying to sit on both sides of the fence. You said

Some people choose not to do so.

 

and

 

for all we know the budgies could have already been quarintined at another persons house.

 

There is no other way to take this other than you are indicating quarantine is pretty much irrelevant, or a like a life style choice, or you seem to think a bird being quarantined somewhere else is quarantine when it isnt. Sometimes if the advice you are giving is greatly lacking in both knowledge and intent then its best not to say anything at all. Some people jump in and advise when they do not know enough to do so. Some people allow others to think they know more than they do.

We have a responsibility here on this forum to help and educate. If that means upsetting a person or two or putting as nose or two out of joint by saying

YES QUARANTINE IS IMPORTANT AND YES IT SHOULD BE DONE

then we will do that instead of saying the cutesie things others say without mentioning the important stuff that may well save the life of their birds.

Once you have been here awhile you will realise there is a DUTY OF CARE in the type of advise you dispense and sometimes that is more important than the amount of friends you have listed on your profile page because you avoided the hard part of good advice and chose the less controversial path of cutesie advice instead.

[Finnie 0]

Wow, as I have read through this, many thoughts have run through my mind. So hard to be on the other side of the world and come in as an afterthought!

 

First of all, I'd like to thank Zigzagoon for being patient while we use his topic as a necessary medium for educating people about quarantine. We need to talk about it over and over and over, because unfortunately, there are too many bird sellers who just keep perpetuating their buyers' lack of knowledge about it. Ive NEVER NEVER NEVER been told by any pet store to quarantine ANY of the birds I've bought. And obviously, Zig was misinformed by even a private breeder!

 

Secondly, I'd like to point out another aspect of quarantine that I didn't see the rest of you cover. It's also the STRESS of bringing a budgie to a new home, and the STRESS that your old birds experience when you give them a stranger to live with, that could cause them to become ill.

 

GB pointed out that each bird could be happily living with it's own familiar germs, that it is immune to. Then they could swap germs, and each catch the illness that the other carried. But what also can happen is that the stress they experience when they move in together can lower their immunities so that they will each be susceptible to their OWN germs, that they were already used to, but are no longer able to fight off.

 

So the quarantine period allows you to see if stress brings anything bad out in the new bird. Unfortunately, your old birds won't become stressed until after quarantine, when you introduce the new bird, so there will always be a slight risk. But since it is their own home, their stress will be less, and if you're as reasonably sure as you can be that the new bird is healthy, it's a risk we pretty much all have to take at some point.

 

This is why a quarantine period at someone elses house is no quarantine at all. The new bird will still be stressed when it joins your household.

 

One last thing. A dishonest breeder might not want to admit that his or her birds might carry germs, so to make a sale, they would tell a buyer that the birds are all healthy, and that quarantine is not necessary! To give the benefit of a doubt, maybe such a breeder is just plain ignorant. But please! Do they really think they have the world's first sterile flock of budgies?

 

 

OOPS! After I posted, I just noticed that Zig is female. Sorry, Zig!

Edited August 28, 2010 by Finnie

[Dave_McMinn 0]

Quarantine is important, as has been stated above. Pet shops will never tell you to quarantine as if they say the word then they have to explain about disease and it might "imply" their birds might have some type of illness and adversely affect their sale. Some breeders do not like the word as it upsets their ego, similar line to a petshop. Ultimately, it is necessary and to say anything different is simply wrong.

 

I am pleased to hear that your birds are bonding Zigzagoon. We all learn a lot when we start out with a new hobby or adventure, so chalk this whole conversation up to a learning experience and enjoy your birds.

[anne101 0]

No quarantine ?????

 

Some people choose not to do so.

some people should no better :mallet: s-q were are on a public fourm trying our best to teach people to do the best things for not only their birds but them also

 

quarantine is not about

bills birds are healthy so im not going to quarinteen

its as kaz stated ,.. timmy may be very healthy but be a carrier of paraciciosses ( still cant spell or say that one )and tammy,buck n fred may all be holders of a low canker count

bringing these four birds together could be the death of timmy from canker as hes not amun to it as the others are being in their environment for so long it does not cause problem as they are not under stress

and jimmy for the other three birds is a true death sentence as as soon as he sheds with molt or starts to feed the other birds hes going to pass on his illness that he has harbored since a young chick maybe even from nest age

quarantine is very important and as a up and coming show breeder and a young person whom wishes to take part and do their best to join in and try and help others out and edgicate them on birds when its clear with alot of things you write you yourself lack the needed knowledge in most areas

im going to have to say i think you need to be very careful of what you say on here

you may choose not to quarantine and others may be with them but regardless were here to teach people the proper way to care for and introduce their birds to each other

so that they have the choise and total understanding of the consequences they may face if they neglect to do so

so

from me

quarantine is a very necessary important role of being a responsible bird owner

 

and for record i lack knowledge myself at times so im not having a go at your imput just be awear you may have people whom listen to you alot more than you would imagined it is a world wide forum after all people do have favorites to have advice from

 

 

Well said GB..... I totally agree, and I think we all have a duty of care in regards to new memebers......

 

And welcome zigzagoon .... :question:

Edited August 28, 2010 by anne101

[GenericBlue 0]

No quarantine ?????

 

Some people choose not to do so.

some people should no better :mallet: s-q were are on a public fourm trying our best to teach people to do the best things for not only their birds but them also

 

quarantine is not about

bills birds are healthy so im not going to quarinteen

its as kaz stated ,.. timmy may be very healthy but be a carrier of paraciciosses ( still cant spell or say that one )and tammy,buck n fred may all be holders of a low canker count

bringing these four birds together could be the death of timmy from canker as hes not amun to it as the others are being in their environment for so long it does not cause problem as they are not under stress

and jimmy for the other three birds is a true death sentence as as soon as he sheds with molt or starts to feed the other birds hes going to pass on his illness that he has harbored since a young chick maybe even from nest age

quarantine is very important and as a up and coming show breeder and a young person whom wishes to take part and do their best to join in and try and help others out and edgicate them on birds when its clear with alot of things you write you yourself lack the needed knowledge in most areas

im going to have to say i think you need to be very careful of what you say on here

you may choose not to quarantine and others may be with them but regardless were here to teach people the proper way to care for and introduce their birds to each other

so that they have the choise and total understanding of the consequences they may face if they neglect to do so

so

from me

quarantine is a very necessary important role of being a responsible bird owner

 

and for record i lack knowledge myself at times so im not having a go at your imput just be awear you may have people whom listen to you alot more than you would imagined it is a world wide forum after all people do have favorites to have advice from

 

 

Well said GB..... I totally agree, and I think we all have a duty of care in regards to new memebers......

 

And welcome zigzagoon .... :question:

 

well i think some of us me included dont really thing out our answers sometimes

you will notice rip ,nubbly and kaz especially all have have things like links and stuff to back their knowledge or information up

its not just a random suggestion as of how they feel

i myself give information based on my experiences more so as im unable to work links and things but in saying this im still more knowledgeable in and with the pet birds

im still just new to show and their sooooooo much different and harder to maintain to a healthy leavle and cost way way more in money management for just food and needs alone

i willsay its not for the fly by day person its a commitment un like that of own having a child they totally rely on us so we must get it right for them

[ZIGZAGOON 0]

Wow, as I have read through this, many thoughts have run through my mind. So hard to be on the other side of the world and come in as an afterthought!

 

First of all, I'd like to thank Zigzagoon for being patient while we use his topic as a necessary medium for educating people about quarantine. We need to talk about it over and over and over, because unfortunately, there are too many bird sellers who just keep perpetuating their buyers' lack of knowledge about it. Ive NEVER NEVER NEVER been told by any pet store to quarantine ANY of the birds I've bought. And obviously, Zig was misinformed by even a private breeder!

 

Secondly, I'd like to point out another aspect of quarantine that I didn't see the rest of you cover. It's also the STRESS of bringing a budgie to a new home, and the STRESS that your old birds experience when you give them a stranger to live with, that could cause them to become ill.

 

GB pointed out that each bird could be happily living with it's own familiar germs, that it is immune to. Then they could swap germs, and each catch the illness that the other carried. But what also can happen is that the stress they experience when they move in together can lower their immunities so that they will each be susceptible to their OWN germs, that they were already used to, but are no longer able to fight off.

 

So the quarantine period allows you to see if stress brings anything bad out in the new bird. Unfortunately, your old birds won't become stressed until after quarantine, when you introduce the new bird, so there will always be a slight risk. But since it is their own home, their stress will be less, and if you're as reasonably sure as you can be that the new bird is healthy, it's a risk we pretty much all have to take at some point.

 

This is why a quarantine period at someone elses house is no quarantine at all. The new bird will still be stressed when it joins your household.

 

One last thing. A dishonest breeder might not want to admit that his or her birds might carry germs, so to make a sale, they would tell a buyer that the birds are all healthy, and that quarantine is not necessary! To give the benefit of a doubt, maybe such a breeder is just plain ignorant. But please! Do they really think they have the world's first sterile flock of budgies?

 

 

OOPS! After I posted, I just noticed that Zig is female. Sorry, Zig!

 

Thanks Finnie, and haha yeah, I'm a female, but no problem!

And as far as me being patient, it's really no trouble at all.

You're all teaching me a really important lesson so I'm more than happy to have my thread hijacked! :mallet:

It's taught me a lot really.

 

And I'm not laying blame towards the breeder at all to be honest.

Should really be blaming my own naiveness because I really should have looked into this first.

But I know now, so when I get my next 2 hens I know the proper procedures to take and why it's necessary.

As I do want to later get into breeding and showing my own budgies, I really do need to learn these important things.

And by you guys helping me and educating me, I can do it the responsible and safe way.

So if my thread being hijacked helps anyone else, then great! I'm glad.

 

And for an update, my budgies are still seem to be healthy and well, 2 of them currently chasing with each other trying to each have a turn with the bell I gave them.

And the Texas clear body happily sitting on my shoulder chirping away. :question:

[Ratzy 0]

Who was the breeder Zig? Because a breeder told me the same thing about quarantine and sold me two sick birds. All of my flock died except for Marigold.

Edited August 29, 2010 by KAZ

[Dave_McMinn 0]

Who was the breeder Zig? Because a breeder told me the same thing about quarantine and sold me two sick birds. All of my flock died except for Marigold.

 

DO NOT name the breeder on here. If you do, you are leaving yourself open to possible defamation charges. Have your conversation in a pm if you like, but DO NOT publicly state the name.

 

Ratzy, I think you need to be careful what you ask for on here.