Red-eyed Babies

[SunshineE 0]

Hi, can anyone tell me what sort of mutations have red eyes as chicks. We have tree with red eyes in our current clutches and the oldest of them all is a cinnamon (very cute). The other two don't even have much down yet but have opened their eyes (which are red). The mother is a green spangle and the father is a dominant? pied. See photos.

 

This is the hen

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab355/s...93/Picture1.png

 

This is the cock

 

 

I was just wondering which mutations have red eyes, either throughout their whole life or just as chicks.

Edited November 28, 2009 by KAZ
changed picture to link as it was oversized

[Ailes 0]

I think the cock might be German fallow, because of the red eyes with with iris ring. If the green spangle hen is also carrying this gene, the red-eyes clutches might be German fallows, too. The cock may also be split to ino, so red-eyed chicks may be hen inos.

Edited November 27, 2009 by Ailes

[Elly 0]

Can you get a better picture of the 1st bird? The front and the back in natural light but enough were we can see the coloration. All I can see is that he is a spangle.

 

The 2nd bird is a Cobalt Recessive Pied and they will have plum eyes for their entire lives, a pink cere (if a cock) and the iris rings will not be visible. You can read more about this mutation in our FAQ section under mutations.

[SunshineE 0]

These are some better pictures of Alfalfa (the hen) she was attacked by another hen and lost most of her head feathers, but they're on the mend.

 

Also, does anyone know what mutation Boof (seen below) is. He can't be a cinnamon because his partner is cinnamon and one of their two babies was not cinnamon and the sex-linked genetics of this say that if he was actually a cinnamon budgie instead of just being split for cinnamon (as he is) all his babies would be cinnamon if his parter is cinnamon?

 

Pictured here with his partner, Alouishious (yes, she is a hen!)

[Dave_McMinn 0]

I think the cock is split ino, so you probably have 3 hens if they all have red eyes.

 

The green cock - is he just not a light green normal?

[**KAZ** 0]

Green cock Boof ..........looks cinnamon to me. Sure the hen is cinnamon ?

Edited November 28, 2009 by KAZ

[SunshineE 0]

I've always not quite know if Boof's cinnamon or not but I'm almost positive his partner is. It's always nagged at me a bit because his markings look brownish, but not as brown as our other cinnamon's.

[Finnie 0]

It looks like maybe you are colony breeding? Perhaps the chick that is not cinnamon has a different father.

[SunshineE 0]

No, I know Boof is the father.

 

Also, how do you tell if the pied cock is split for ino?

[renee 0]

Also, how do you tell if the pied cock is split for ino?

Test breeding is the only way to check for sex linked splits like inos.

[**KAZ** 0]

I think the cock might be German fallow, because of the red eyes with with iris ring. If the green spangle hen is also carrying this gene, the red-eyes clutches might be German fallows, too. The cock may also be split to ino, so red-eyed chicks may be hen inos.

I seriously doubt that fallow is involved here.

[SunshineE 0]

I also thnk that it's rather unlikely that the cock is a fallow. He was must a run of the mill bird when we got him, we were actually looking for girls at the time but we got him wrong. The ino dea seems the most likely. We can now tell what the chicks' base colours are: one is white, however I think there are some darker marking feathers and the other is yellow with no obvious indcations of markings or green feathering, in fact it looks like the tail feathers will all be yellow.

 

I can't wait to see how they turn out. This is the hen's first clutch and she's turned out to be on of our best mothers.

[nubbly5 0]

Hmm, I spy an iris ring on the pied so he's not a recessive or maybe not JUST a recessive. Maybe a combo pied or DF Domi perhaps - I don't know enough about combo pieds and rec pieds to make a call here.

 

More than likely though as far as red eyes go, you would have an ino or maybe lacewing split. To get fallow both hen and cock would have to be split. Pretty unlikely I would say. But with ino, you only need the cock to be split for it to show up in some ino hens. Much more likely.

 

But just to clarify - are the eyes RED or are they PLUM? There is a distinct difference.

 

And unless Boof is a BROWNWING (which I know very little about), he looks like a cinnamon. These are the only 2 options for Boof I am afraid. I would say a victim of colony breeding is someone else getting to Boof's girlfriend when you AND Boof were not watching.

Edited November 30, 2009 by nubbly5

[SunshineE 0]

okay. Update.

 

The white baby is a cinnamon single factor violet sky blue with BRIGHT violet cheek feathers. She is going to be an absolute stunner.

 

The yellow baby is a clearwing cinnamon spangle and also has violet cheek feathers, although not as bright as the other one. They are both absolutely gorgeous and I will try and get photos soon.

[**KAZ** 0]

okay. Update.

 

The white baby is a cinnamon single factor violet sky blue with BRIGHT violet cheek feathers. She is going to be an absolute stunner.

 

The yellow baby is a clearwing cinnamon spangle and also has violet cheek feathers, although not as bright as the other one. They are both absolutely gorgeous and I will try and get photos soon.

How did you figure the yellow baby has clearwing happening ? Cinnamon spangles have very feint pale brown spangle markings not to be confused with being called clearwing.

[SunshineE 0]

i have another cinnamon spangle and the markings are visible much more clearly on that one than on the baby where you actually have to squint and look really closely to make out any markings at all. I don't know if this means that the baby is a clearwing, but in comparison to my other one it seems an explanation? We haven't had babies from this pair before though so I'm not sure. I can't upload pictures until the computer works itself out after the power went out, but if you could give me your opinion whn i do post photos it would be much appreciated!

[Dave_McMinn 0]

clearwing is a whole other mutation.

 

Some cinnamon wings are very feint, some are dark. I think you just have a light cinnamon wing, not a clearwing.

[SunshineE 0]

That's good to know because I wasn't entirely sure what was happening or whether I had it completely wrong.

[SunshineE 0]

Finally! Here are some photos of our babies currently.

 

These two are from the same clutch and the yellow one is the one I think is a cinnamon spangle. The other purpleish one might??? be an opaline. The colour has come into her wings, but I don't know much more than that. Advice on mutations would be appreciated.

 

These two babies are from our other current clutch. Could they be opaline as well. I could tell what colour they are going to be before they even started to get body feathers because instead of white and black wings they have black and coloured (blue) wings.

 

Also, just to clarify, this is my budgie Star. Is she a cinnamon spangle?

[SunshineE 0]

Sorry about the pictures, the colours are a little bit out, but not much, Star's markings may look grey in the photos, but they are definitely brownish, but the other photos are all accurate, it's just that star is still in quarantine and it's been hot lately so we made a "wet-air-conditioner" for them and the cloth made the light strangely coloured.