RIPbudgies

I noticed in the vid that the hen seemed to be looking for certain seeds. I don't know what mix you are feeding but some hens just won't feed a variety they will select one type of seed and that's that. I had a couple hens over the years that come breeding would only feed White Millet. If she is being selective then provide what she is feeding in greater quanitity. Make up for balanced diet by feeding vegies and put vitamins in water. As for plucking it seems the hen was plucked as a youngster as she bears the results herself.

Maybe he is GB. Maybe I missed something.

I completely agree with DrNat. I would like to add to it though. On what basis the council have decided to do this. Councils have by-laws and they can't just make them up as they go along nor can they change them with out due process. In WA we have an organisation called United Bird Societies of WA (UBSWA). All clubs except the budgie clubs are members of this organisation. It's purposes is to liase with councils and other groups about bird keeping issues. Maybe there is a similar organisation in your state. As for Elmo license or not, unless they wish to do a DNA profile they cannot prove he is bush or captive. There are many captive bred small bush type budgies around that is why it is hard to get pure bush stock.

I have shares in a racehorse called Canardly Miss, stable name Chikky. Tomorrow, Wednesday 4/3/09 she has her 2nd race start but 1st start as Ascot (City track). She is in Race 2 and is No 10. I am going to have a little flutter on her. We don't expect her to win this race like she did with her 1st one as this is a much stronger field and she is against seasoned runners. We know she will give it her best though. Anybody follow the horses look out for a horse called Grasa Express in the last race at Ascot. He comes from up north of WA and he has pretty good form. I am thinking of having a $1 or 2 each way on him.

do you have picture of head spoted pied rip you talking about a spangle with the spot like a dom pie spot not just the two feathers representing the rec gene being precent yeah ? i need two see what the head spot pie looks like Unfortunately no photos around that I am aware of. Generally most people don't know they have something new until they have got rid of it. When talking to people they will then say something like "oh yeah I had a bird just like that" when asked if they took photos they generally reply "nah, just thought that was how it is suppose to be". 99% of the population wouldn't have a clue. Makes you wonder how many changes and been and gone in back yard avairies.

Who on here has the fair dinkum bush budgie. I don't mean the small pet type that resembles the bush budgie. I mean the real macoy. I need somebody to photograph the markings of them. I need to try find out if the marking type mutated in captivity or exists naturally in the wild population. Who ever can help me out please PM and I'll let you know what to look for.

I picked up a couple of leaflets for aviaries made by Kinson Products tonight whilst I was setting up my table at the Biennal Bird Show in Canington. A few of the styles available will be on display during the bird show. Maybe you could do a run up to Perth to check them out and talk to the guys on their display stand. If you can't make it I'll get a phone number for you and you can call these guys direct. PM an address and I will forward the leaflets to you. There was a mob called Aviary Makers up bassendean way but I think they may have gone out of business.

I used Avian Insect Liquidator. Damn good stuff and great for killing daddy long leg spiders too. Seems to work better on these guys then fly spray does.

It seems I am saying the same thing again and again here, but what the ***, I will say it again. I did not just make up a quarantine procedure. Before I went away, i consulted my avian vet for advice, and I have followed this advice. I suppose once everyone else on here has graduated as an avian vet, and they have over 30 years experience treating injured wildlife, especially birds, on a daily basis, I will follow their ideas and thoughts, but until that day comes, I think i will just trust my avian vet as he tends to be more knowledgeable than the anonymous writers on an internet based website. I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but the "bush lawyer" avian vet comes a far second to my avian vet I am afraid. Naturally. You should all watch "Guns, Germs and Steel", a national geographic documentary on the spread of Europeans and their cultures. Fascinating in this regard. Dave I own and have watched that documentary. It is extremely good. I too would recommend people watch it. I have also seen doco's on what overdosing of drugs is doing the people of this planet. Regarding avian vets. No two vets think alike. Some will tell you to do exactly what you have done and others will tell you the opposite. I am well aware I am not a vet and was not purporting to be one. All I was giving was my point based on 20 years of breeding budgies and experience gained in agriculture. I only used anti biotics as a last resort. I practice that even with myself. I suffer with the occasional bout of tonsilitis. Now these days they don't just whip them out. I was always prescribed anti biotics. I then watch a doco on Turberculous in the prison system in Russia, whereby they stopped prescribing it cause they were dealing a mutated strain which had become immune to anti biotics. They decided then to let the body's own defences come into play, didn't really have a choice did they. I decided I would do the same. Each bout of tonsilitis got reduced in length of time and intensity dropped off. I have not had a bout for so long now that I can't remember when the last one was. Have you heard of Robert Stroud (bird man of alcatraz). Had an IQ of 134. He wasn't a vet but he sure knew a *** of a lot about birds. He know more about the inner workings of birds more then some vets I've met. Not every vet is a good vet but if ya get a good one stick to them. Tim Oldfield would be the best in the west for birds.

Dave, sorry to hear about your losses but it looks like the younger birds are turning out real nice which may help compensate some what. As for the doxy treament I myself would not dose a bird on broad spectrum anti biotic as a quarantine measure. Aniti biotics do not discriminate between good and bad bugs. The birds are already stressed through removal from their environment and then plane travel, change in heat and humidty levels from state to state, change of water, food and routine. All these things take a toll on the system and by dosing with anti biotics you weaken the birds system by killing off benefical bacteria. It can be offset to a small degree by feeding acidopholous bacteria but dependant on methods of delivery the amount consumed it just may not be enough. There is also other gut flora which just cannot be given. It must be remembered that all livings things are in themselves a habitat. There are tiny little ecosystems in the gut, intestines etc each are unique and thrive when in balance, but should that balance be upset it is then that we see problems. Like you say people are different with colds etc just as they are at combatting disease. I think we over-medication ourselves and our animals. This is why some bugs are now getting the upper hand and in some cases we do not have the defences.

This weekend 28th Feb and 1st March sees the Avicultural Society of WA run their Biennial Bird Show in Cannington at the hall infront of the Greyhound Track. This is where you can see bird mutations you don't usually get too see, as well as pick up products and generally get info and have a great time. I use to be involved in this show when I was last in the hobby and always ran a budgerigar exhibit to show case the hobby in this state. I had no backing from the clubs here it was all done on my own back. At the time I also had prigeons and use to supply Fantails for the main avairy display as well as I had two jand tamed coloured fantails who were a hit. I'll try to find the photos of them and post when I get time. Iwas at that time also sellings bird related software on behalf of Ken Yorke. I am again selling Yorke software and my first outing is at this show. I had planned to make the WABC State Show my first outing as there are a lot of new faces that would not necessarily know of the existance of this software and also the chance to see it in action and have a fiddle before you buy. Unfortunately I was denied which is quite sad as it is not I who misses out. The programs I will have there are: Birdrec V8 (Bird Record Keeping) Budgen V5 (Budgerigar Genetic Calculation with Illustration features) Avian Genetic Calculator V1 (Avian Genetic Calculator) Budgerigar Bible (information CD) The Show Manager V3 (Exhibition Management Program) I am hoping to have some books, both new and second hand for sale and I do have some accessories also that must go. Hope to see a few WA breeders attend. Come and have a chat.

You also have to be on the look out for the Australian Dominant and Dutch Pied crosses. These can be mostly found in pet type circles and have been bred together usually because owners don't know they have two different types of pieds. Dark Eyed Clears are a pied. It is the end reaction of two particular pied types namely Recessive Pied and Dutch Pied. It suggests there is some linkage involved and it is sometime seen Danish looking like Dutch and Dutch that look like Danish. The other Special Pied types are Spangle and Mottle. As well as a Head Spot Pied. The later is rarely seen as it is usually found in regular pied types and so goes un-noticed.

If a hen was of a high standard I would use her again. I have had many plucker and I have always found them to be good feeders. I don't mind a little bit of plucking as the feathers grow back during the first moult. The worst plucking is when the feather follicle is damaged.

Yes renee they are the same. It is all about VARIATION.

Hmmmmmmmm. I'm under the distinct impression that Dominat Pieds (aka Banded Pieds) are similar but different to Clearflighted Pieds although at a Show both would be shown in the same class: Austrialian Dominant Pieds. Is that what you mean RIP? The reason for the distinction is that this year's ammendments to the ANBC Standard included a full and comprehensive description of Clearflighted Pieds so as to distinguish from the other 'dominant" variety. The Dutch Pied had never been favoured by the ANBC side of things. If it was to dissappear into obliviation I don't think to many people would care. There have been naming misnomers for years and it still continues today. Probably worse now with the advent of the internet. Unfortunately those who control the colour and standards are not always that well informed or suitably experienced in the varieties. Just because somebody has been breeding budgies for 20, 30 or 40 years it does not neccessarily mean they know there stuff. I have seen a great many people come and go in the fancy and some picked up things quickly and others just don't get it. I personally don't like the use of the term Clearflight as it is too precise. It also is confused with the Continental Clearflight. There are three pied types (actually there are 5 but two of them are not recognised as pieds) and they should stay as they are and shown as such and a standard written to accomodate the variations of each. Pied horse classes don't put up with this level of **** and there are many variations there. I am not a 100% sure but the variegated pied in the standard was written to cater for those pieds that could not be identified and is has just not been changed. I spent many an hour, read a lot of literature, Spoke to overseas breeders of yesteryear, such as Ken Gray, and bred the budgies to discover the truth. I personally believe that a national body should be trying to make sure that all varieties are kept in existance not aid in there dissappearance. The budgie fancy some 60 years ago was a far more exciting place than it is today.

Opaline Greywing Grey is about as close as you'll get.

Another thread of confusion. Australian Dominant Pied (ADP) also know as ...... Australian Pied, Dominant Pied, Banded Pied, Clearflighted Pied. Dutch Pied (DP) also known as ...... Dutch Dominant Pied, Continental Clearflight Pied, Frosted Pied Recessive Pied (RP) also known as ...... Danish Pied, Danish Recessive Pied, Harlequin The ADP cannot produce Dark Eyed Clears (DEC) when paired to a RP, but a DP can. Both can be had in Double Factor form and contrary to popular belief cannot be visually identified from a Single Factor. Only appropriate pairing will verify. All pieds carry a head spot of varying size. All Pieds are subject to a degree of variation in pied pattern inheritence. There does however seem to be some things constant with each. ADP's tend to have clear flights of varying number. generally starting from the outer wing edge and working inwards the melanin will be removed. DP on the other hand can an do have flight feathers which may or may not be grizzled and one feather can show both black and ground colour at the same time. The pied pattern on the body of the ADP's have a tendancy to form a band across the centre of the body. It can be broken to varying degrees. It seems that the more pied pattern on the body the more likely there is to be pied pattern appearing on the back within the undulations. Also the demarkion of the pied areas are quite precise and well delineated. There is no grizzling. ADP also have a more of a tendancy to lack an iris ring in one eye, also pied out ceres and pink feet. Beak usually stays horn colour. DP pattern tends to appear on the upper half of the body and as more pied pattern is found the further the pattern will spread. There is not the precise delineation of pied areas as in the ADP. A grizzled affect can often be found. Certain DP also tend to have a frosted appearance. This is an opalesence that is visable with out the presence of Opaline. It is also not uncommon for a DP to look almost Normal in appearance. I have never come across a DP who has an iris in one eye only. The cere is not as strong in blue but the beak usually stays horn and the feet can be pink but mostly are seen as blue/grey.

The father looks like a Clearwing to me. He has the fuller body colour and pale grey spots. Greywings are stronger in spot colour and 50% body colour unless they are FBC Greywings. People get the "dirty" Clearwings mixed up with Greywings all the time. Have you got a rear picture of the bird?

Congrats to Kaz and Ken for their win. Glad to see both cars on the road. :anim_19: Whilst Kaz was enjoying herself at one car show I was at another couple hundred k's south of Perth at Boyup Brook. I won best Rural Ute.

Same here krosp. I had to take a little hiatus as well. Congrats krosp.

Just going through some old magazines and came across this opening statement to an article. "Feather dusters, frizzle-feathered monsters, grotesque oddities of the Budgie world - call them what you will, but the stark fact is that modern breeding methods, in which fanciers strive for that world-beater, have resulted in the appearance of these hideous-looking specimens."

okay, okay. This walk a mile in each other's shoes thing is over. Tell the Goldfish I want my cage back!

Kaz is defiantely right there about filler seed. One of the biggests seed mix problem I consider on the market today is the parrot mix. Contains black sunflower seed, whole oats, corn, milo. Of that the sunflower is the first to go followed by the oats. Corn is harder to crack for the average parrot as is milo. Both corn and milo are predominately chook and pigeon food. The other thing to conside is weight. Sunflower seed is light compared to oats, corn and milo. So bulking up the mix we these will increase the weight and subsequently the price.

I am a bit skeptical about this. I find it difficult that the birds are only going to eat one type of seed and therefore starve themselves to death. I really feel there is most likely more to this situation. Some years ago the price for canary seed skyrocketed. It was like $100 per 40Kg bag. Now we know given the choice most budgies pig out on the stuff. Well when prices got steep I had to stop buying it as one of the main sources or food and feed as a treat. I never lost any birds to this. They eat what is on offer. It is possible that they could have had mega or possibly some other disease. Did the vet do tests or just simply look at the bird?

I just luv it when babies chuckle. I reckon it is infectious. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: