Daz

Becareful, like most things you can overdo it. I have posted a management plan that I follow. It's from two leading breeders in Australia. Plunkett & Tasi

okay let me clarify. If I paired a recessive variety to a Normal Variety I can get a Dominant variety... Sorry Derek you can't answer this one ... well not yet. Let call the normal Variety a normal Blue. Can I do it??? I am saying I can. In quizes we've had we understand that you can get a recessive from two dominant so long as both are split recessive. We said you can't get a dominant from two recessives. Now that could be wrong. This goes against a lot of genetics we have discussed here but like genetics it doesn't stick to the rules.

Sorry it late.... Here are my answers: *Dominant Pied can be split Fallow. *Fallow can not be split Dominant Pied *Normals, Single Factor Spangle & Double Factor Spangle. *All greywing offspring. *Clearwings and Normal Split Clearwings *All Normals split fallow *Light green, Dark Green and Olive *Sky Blue, Cobalt and Mauve. *Grey and Violet. *Normal split Opaline cocks and normal hens *Normal cocks split Opaline and cinnamon and Opaline Hens. *Normal Cocks and Normal Split cocks and Normal Hens and Opaline Hens. *Green Cocks split opaline and lutino and Lutino Hens. *Grey cinnamon cocks, blue cinnamon Cocks both split lacewing and Grey cinnamon Hens, Blue cinnamon Hens and white Lacewing Hens *Light green dominant pied cocks, Light green normal cocks (both split opaline and blue) and Light green Dominant pied Hens, Light green Normal Hens and Light green Dominant pied Oplaine hens (all split blue) *Light green Normal Cocks, Light green Spangle cocks (all split Opaline and cinnamon) and Light green Opaline cinnamon hens and light green Spangle Opaline cinnamon hens.

The answer is yes. I can cross a Recessive to a normal and get dominants...... how... why..... Am I right, wrong or mad...

All cocks breed from a cinnamon hen and a "normal" cock will be split cinnamon. normal being any variety not cinnamon.

Sounds like a good idea to me....... Let me explain. The cocks will be split cinnamon. The hens will be normals unless the cocks are split to a sex gene. The cinnamon gene adds a soft quality to the feather which is what you want in a show bird. The hen will carry the softness but not the cinnamon. If the hen if a well marked bird (even though she is a cinnamon) she will add to the spangle markings. Her daughters could be a better bird than she is. If the spange cock has a sister or brother that has sons you can pair the new daughters back to those sons to improve the line. Half Brother to Half Sister This is called line breading and using a cinnamon out cross to improve a feature. In this case the feathering.

good idea....

no i've been too busy today. I have to get to Bunnings to get some Aluminium "U" channel for the dividers. Tomorrow I'll be back into it.

The money that is put into these birds is immense. We really do look after then like children. Derek probibly got the idea this afternoon at my place. This is what do for our birds and this Show breeder really do love their birds.

Scared the dickens out of me that did. Welcome to the forum..........

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Thats where I got the idea from.. I take it for granted what I do these days. I have goten into a routine and the birds like it.

I think mine are better kept than most Olympic athleats.

Good health is essential to breeding and showing good birds. It has become common place in many bird rooms to rely on supplements to health keep our birds health, and in good form. But what do you use? Here is what you will find in my aviary...... AVIAN INSECT LIQUIDATOR (A.I.L) The keep pets at bay. AVICLENS To keep the water clean from bacteria BREEDING AID To help the pairs and the chicks. CALCIVET To help egg production and good bones, beak and claws. COCCIVET For the treatment and prevention of Coccidiosis FINCH CRUMBLES For protien MOULTING AID For good Feather growth. PROBOTIC for over all good health. SOLUVET Vitamins SPARK ELECTROVET For the birds going into and coming from the shows. WORMOUT GEL For worming of the birds. These are the basic supplements I use. But there are others in the way of Mineralized grit, Charcoal, Apple cider vinegar, Pentivite, Aloe Vera.

The problem with talking birds is that hours go by very quickly. I always love talking birds. :hap:

I agree with Kaz. The term useless can mean many things. A bird useless in the breeding cage or show can be an excellent pet bird for some one. But not a show breeder. Please remember that a broken clock is correct twice a day.

It's a hen.

Some birds that have been in flights and then put in breeding cages have fits. (Stress) I do know of a bird that goes the other way. He has fits in the Flight and not in the breeding cage. :hap: This could have happened. it is always best to pair up in the morning so the birds have all day to get used to the new surroundings before it gets dark.

Well Done Splat. They are great birds. You must be very pleased.

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got it... give me a ring when you get up.

Yes I liked them so much I bought on on ebay. ..... now where to put it.

Thanks DrNat very good information for all. :)Thanks DrNat very good information for all.

DrNat, Have you had much experience with the dark eyed clears? I have just pbtained a DEC white Cock from Mort Faddy and trying to start that variety off. I have paired to a Grey split recessive hen and had 7 chicks. 1 grey, 2 skyblue, 1 opaline grey, 1 dark eyed clear white, 2 recessive skyblues. I believe all the normals and opaline should be split recessive. Reading what I can get a hold on is good. Dave Cook's been great helping with the pairing side. But the genetics are not straight forward. I know you like the clearwings but i'm interested if you have had success with the DECs?

I'm not sure how to keep the corn fresh it will go "hard" but the birds should eat most of it by then. If it dries out and not spoils the birds will eat on the hard cob. Mine do.