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Hi All heres some photos I just took of Fluffy Doesn't sit long on the perch. But it gives a good indication of the wing feathers.

More Photos.. Sure.. ..and as for Ken

Hi Phoebe, Fluffy is doing fine. He is eating like a normal chick and is happily preening. I have him on a high protein feed for his special needs. I am designing some additions to the Nursary for him. He wont be going into the flight. He will have a special place with me.

Hi Pie, In my case that two will be in different classes. But if you have similar type birds there are features to look at. Overall Condition of the bird. Head Shape Neck Body Tail Legs/feet Wings Eyes Beak Cere Size of the bird Colour Mask and Spots Markings Each one is broken down more. ................................................................................ .... Here is some photos of the chicks. Back right and front are the two in the show. More interested in the camera than the food. The left one is due to come out of the nest but as there is no eggs from the hen he will stay as long as possible. Young chicks showing. The eldest of these will be joining it's sisters in the nursary tomorrow. The one on the left keeps coming back to the Nest box. The one on the right will be leaving the nest box tomorrow.

Let me put the points of this discussion bluntly. I was given 4 eggs from a breeder that assists me in beginning this "Hobbie" which I have been in for over a year. It takes years to even begin to get going in this hobbie. The eggs were from an outstanding pair of Recessive Pieds in which one won 1st prices on the bench. The result was two chicks. A healthy Recessive Pied Grey Hen and a Bird that would appear to be a feather duster. I will be taking the cock to an expert on Thursday, Australian time. As I don't know if the Hen is carrying the gene for this mutation, I will be breeding her in the future. If any chicks are feather dusters the breeding will stop. If any chicks are sold, the buyer will be informed of the current cocks condition. Yes. I have been at an auction where a person has paid $11,000.00au ($15,000.00us) for 4 birds. 3 of the birds cost over $3,000.00au ($4,000.00us) each, Not knowing their back ground. Only the name of the breeder that sells them. Eterri you have bought this discussion into disrepute with your narrow minded views and your attacks against me. You have no experience in breeding or managing show birds. All your information comes form books and research and not from practical experience. If find you hipacritical that you can even think of advicing other on things that you have no hand on knowledge at all. I agree with Hath on this point. Your comments on Humans breeding is contridictive of your view on birds. You would obviously like to see a baby born with defects than a budgie. That is sad.

Thats right. They are calmer at night and will accept the Show Cage better. It gets them used to it. Like walking a show dog on a leash in a ring. He has to be calm and show for the judges. A budgie is no different.

Hath's right dusk they go into the show cage for the night. In the morning they go back into the Nursary. This way they feed and get used to the Cage. On the show bench they will hopeful show. That sounds strange to some, but a show bird must show. :hap: By thursday they will be allowed to go into the Show Cage for a bit in the middle of the day and will start to be prepared for the show. As they are only nest feathers. Preparation is not as crucial.

Terri you are anti breeding, you have condoned every aspect of breeding on this forum. You have pointed out in the past that you wished all breeding of budgerigars to stop. You have absolutyely no experience in breeding or genetics. Your information comes from what you read. If I read up extensively on heart surgery, would you be happy to be under my knife..? I wouldn't. I am sorry I forgot that you have a phd in genetics and that you know the bird intensive back ground so you are far more experienced than I to call on this... How do you know what genes this bird carrys. How do you know that this bird will produce a feather duster in any of it's progoney. You don't. You might as well tell Bea, Karen, Bubble and everyone else here to stop their breeding programs until they get conclusive evadenace that thier birds are genetically correct in every way. It's the same thing! The difference is in the birds are visual. But show birds/animals need more than the pets. There is more attention given to the requirements of the bench or the show ring. I love my birds in many ways but you have to categories that emotion and put it on a shelf and if you find my love different to what you would accept as decent that is you problem. Breeding is not easy it is not something that people should decide over night to do. You can not understand breeding or genetic completly from a book. I once thought you could until I tried but you can't. It has more heart aches than good times. You just don't hear of them here. Some night I get up three or four times in the cold to quieten the birds down so that they won't hurt themselves. Those that do decide to breed and want the best for thiers bird look for a forum or advice that can help them. I am yet to find a forum on the internet that I would consider good at this. This forum has many great people, Hath, Nerwen, Karen, Bubbles just to name a few. But as Hath said I disagree.

to say that breeding show budgies reduce there life span is totally incorrect. Wrong information! If I paid $1000 for a bird I would want it to live as long as possible. If i came on to a forum about cooking roasts and said that everyone is resesponcible for eating meat, I would expect a back lash. That hasn't occured here. I have been my polite supportive way. but when some one has a go at me. I am going to defend myself. This site is 60% pet budgies, 25% breeding pet budies, 10% Horses and other things and 5% Show Budgies.

I have been discussing that with another member, It could be. He hasn't been bad lately so I'll see how he goes.

I totally agree and it happens but you will find it hard to see this in Show Breeders. As hath stated it takes a lot of work to breed show birds. Yes I choose to breed with her. If she throws a feather duster. So be it. I'll address genetic in a minute. Eterri this site was set up by a Show Budgie Breeder for Breeding Show Budgies. It is backed by a Show Budgie Club. We speak of Breeding Budgies and how to assist people in the best way we can. Some of us would like to discuss this matter at a higher level than Befer the budgie. . I would love to get involve with discussing the discissions on pairing and genetic improvements with knowledgable people like Hath. You seem to have some type of desire to stop the breeding of Budgerigars due to ill informed information on health, longertitivy and well being. I joined this forum to learn how to look after a pet budgerigar. Nerwen taught me genetics and Hath and others started me on the journey in to the show world and I thank them very much. If you think I am going to stand back and let you publically have a go at my integrity, Girl you have another thing coming. Hi Hurdy, Remember that the only way to keep the % of genes is to restrengthen it. The ofspring of two animals in theory takes 50% for the male and 50% from the female. If breed to another animal their offspring ends up with 25% of the grandparent and so on. This is why breeders line breed to strengthen particular genes. What percentage my hen has is unknow. Now remember that this is theory (the perfect world) the hen may not have carried that gene (real world outcome). In Australia it occurs but like Hath I am against it. Culling does mean to removed it but as Hath put it. I will be giving it away not selling.

This is what you are trying to Strive for. Compaired to this. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/darrylw/DSCN5189.jpg I love my guys :ausb: The process to achieve this standard takes years of dedicated breeding. Strick Culling and a high level of knowledge of neutrician and genetics. Training of the chicks at a young age for the Show Cages. Breeding of pet budgies is to put two birds or more togeather in an enviroment with a nest box, adiquate feed and watch them breed. At this level. You have to manage the breeding. Restricted Clutch numbers. Hi Protein feed. Balanced nuetrician. Vitamins, minerals suppliments. Some pairs do not even raise their own chicks. It is left for foster pairs to do this. There is a big diffence. Especially in cost.

Thanks Nerwen they have now been registered and will be on the bench Sunday Morning. Their training starts to night. I'd leave him till he is 42 days. But sounds like he is doing well. :ausb:

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Yes that is correct. When the top birds sell for thousands of dollars, it is an acceptible risk. It happens in the "Fancy" (Show Budgerigar World) Yes it is two different worlds. You would really be horrified as to the difference if you knew what goes on in both. Reminds me of the views of a man that should have died in a bunker in 1945. His view was to cleans the population of people with disabilities. Also if you were jewish or black or gay. Why should you have the right to children if your brother or sister was handicaped, if your parents or ralitives were not of the correct race or colour. Your comment could easily be put to every one on this forum that wishes to breed thier birds. They would need to have the back ground of there birds back at least for 7 years or more. I have heard of throw backs occuring after 17 generations. Terri I don't have any problems with you giving your opinion. It is most welcome. I am not offended by it because I understand where you are coming from.

To answer your Questions Terri. 1. This is the world of show budgies not pet budgies. The risk of a feather duster out ways the possibility of an outstanding Show bird on the bench. 2. I will be breeding from the sybling because I don't know if the "Gene" or "Condition" is also with it. Untill I breed it I won't know. I'll let you know in 2008. I won't be breeding it for 12 months. 3. I don't run off to the vet everytime one of my birds sneeze. I will observe him and ask advice from informitive people with experience in this matter. Many Top Breeders have more experience and knowledge of Budgerigars than a General Avairian Vet. I have taken my birds to two vets. The first told me that my hens were cocks. The second that I trusted and Nerwen knows moved. He seems to be enjoing himself in the Breeding Cage. I found him preaning himself this morning. I am meeting with a breeder this afternoon to discuss him. I'll let you know how I go. Lovey thanks for the information, I greatly appricate it.

Hand rearing mix. Should be able to get it at good pet stores.

Hi Anna and welcome to the forum. Here is a link to Posting Pictures. I hope you enjoy it here.

7 to date, Albinos and Lutinos. I am hoping the Males are split to cinnamon.

Some breeders wont but the breeder I got the eggs from said that only a small percentage of the offspring were feather dusters. What the low percentage was I don't know. The father came 1st in the last few shows he was in and the offspring were of good quality and so the breeding will continue. The hen hopefully isn't carrying the condition. Bea I had the thought but hoped it was wrong. I still hope it isn't but we will have to wait and see. I have forwarded the photos to one of the top men in the industries for confermation. I'll let you know the view. Bubbles thank you. To clear up the reason for breeding. I didn't breed the birds. I was given four eggs from the pair as the breeder didn't want them to have another clutch. Out of the four eggs, 1 was eaten, the other 3 hatched but 1 died during hatching. I found it with a bit of egg still on it. These are the results of the two that survived. They were raised by Jazz and Bluey. I only saw the parents but of course didn't ask if they had bred any feather dusters at the time.

Terri buff has to do with the down and feather content. "Big" birds are made up of the bird including mussle and fat. Also the feather quality. (Buff) We have three types of quality Yellow, Buff or Double Buff. I spoke to the orginial breed that told me he did have a feather duster off the mating so it looks like it might be one. I'll give it a week to see what happens. Dusters don't last long.

Two syblings Both from the same nest. Oldest by one day. Her brother What do you think. French Moult or very very buff?

As Una, asked what is the age of the youngest chick?

Yes the dilute gene can influence the recessive pied gene. Kirby I think she is a recess pied yellowface dilute. I can't see the wing markings to see the spangle.

So cute Karen... Here is the one I got off you. Lisa.