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Thats great news nerwen, any photos for the ones coming out. As you know I usually take the chicks out of the nest after 28 days. Saying that I have two in the nest with the youngest is 28 days today. But as the hen hasn't started her next clutch i'll leave them be.

If they are in a breeding Cage I'd take the nest box away and leave them in the cage with there parents until The youngest is 6 weeks old and then they can go into a nursary. If you don't have a nursary just take the parents away. The hen could come out and be placed in another breeding cage to rest for a week before she goes back into the flight. If you are coloney breeding leave the nest box until the youngest is 6 weeks old.

Terri that terrible Hope everything goes okay for her. Let us know how it goes. I hope that she will be okay.

Hi Lovey I will be keeping him. Unless some one special wants him. He will have to take up residenance in the nursary as a perminant. I'll try to keep you up to date.

Hi Boomberry, I don't have the breeding pair. I was given 4 eggs. They were fostered to a pair that had some clear eggs. I have notified the breeder that owns the original breeding pair. I believe that Fluffy doesn't have PBFD or PVD. He doesn't have any of the symptoms. But its best for the flock to check. I think he is very unfortunate.

It seems that there is some support for this Information.

From what I have been told most of the bloods for thesze desease are being sent to South Africa.There is a test done for DNA recognition of these two deseases. It cost me $165.00au to have these tests caried out. Any way I couldn't wait. I have been discussing the bird with the original breeder and he's had a look at him. He has confirmed Feather Duster. As of Polyomavirus and PBFD he has never had it in his current aviary. I have strick Quarrentine proceedures for bringing in birds. So it is low risk that it could be that as another issue. But???!!! I will not risk the other birds further. Internal Quarrentine in an avairy is where by the Possible Bird or birds are segregated from the flock and are attended to last. It is a low level quarrentine. I must feed and water them last. Touch them last and make sure hands and clothes are washed before touching the other birds. Now before any one jumps up and down that the birds should be removed lets look at the facts. The Chick was hatched and Raised in a Breed Room for the last 38 days. It has been in contact with the parents, Its sister and the other chick. The Family has been in an area with the other birds for the last 38 days. I've had no incoming birds during that time to influeance the flock. The Vet also agrees that moving the family would be too late. But not to have them interacte at a high level than they are doing until the test results return. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Psittacine Beak and Feather Dystrophy (PBFD) Symptoms: abnormal molts, feathers dystrophic, beak dystrophic, and/or claws dystrophic Description: Psittacine Beak and Feather Dystrophy (PBFD) may occur as an acute disease with loss of all actively growing feathers over a few days, followed by death or partial or complete recovery. It may also appear as a chronic, progressive disease characterized by repeated replacement of feathers and quills by deformed, twisted, dystrophic quills that fail to mature and are shed prematurely, with death resulting from secondary causes. Treatment: There is currently no reliable cure for this disorder. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Polyomavirus (PVD) Polyomavirus - This virus, also referred to as Budgerigar Fledgling Disease is a member of the papovavirus family. Polyoma virus is a 40-50 nm diameter in size, containing a double-stranded DNA genome of approximately 5000 basepairs. This pathogen is considered one of the most significant threats to cage birds around the world. This highly infectious disease effects most if not all parrot species. Polyoma seems to be most problematic among neonates (young birds) between the ages 14-56 days. Young birds often die, while adult birds can develop a certain level of immunity. Polyoma is believed to have an incubation period of approximately two weeks or less. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Transmission: The disease can spread from one bird to another via feather dust, feces, aerosols and parental feeding of chicks; direct contact or contact with infected environments (incubators, nest boxes).. Birds that are infected but do not have obvious signs of infection are often responsible for spreading the virus to an aviary or bird store. Carrier state maybe possible in adult birds. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Symptoms: Swollen abdomen, depression, loss of appetite, anorexia, weight loss, delayed crop emptying, regurgitation, diarrhea, dehydration, feather abnormalities hemorrhages under the skin, dyspnea, polyuria, ataxia, tremors, paralysis, acute death. Some birds die without any clinical symptoms. Adult birds may die of secondary infection from bacterial, viral, fungal or parasitic pathogen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prevention: Isolate all birds shedding the disease. Disinfect all contaminated surfaces with an oxidizer such as chlorine bleach (Polyoma virus is resistant to many disinfectants). *Alcohol does not work as it is not an oxidizer. A vaccine is available, however this option may cost as much as $40-60 per bird: additionally booster shots are required each year and the effectiveness of the vaccine in younger birds is in question. Quarantine all new birds and use nested primer PCR testing to determine whether or not birds are infected. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Treatment: No known treatment at this time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Diagnosis: Nested primer PCR testing, and sequence analysis of PDV DNA; histopathology. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sample: When testing individual birds, a whole blood sample is recommend in conjunction with a cloacal swab when possible. If the sample tests positive, then the bird should be placed in quarantine and re-tested in 4-6 weeks. If the bird tests negative the second time, then a third test is recommended. Post mortem samples of liver, spleen, or kidney tissue in a sterile container, postmortem swabs may also be submitted. Environmental testing using swabs of aviaries, countertops, fans, air-filters, nest-boxes etc. is extremely effective in determining the presence of Polyoma DNA in the environment. *It is recommenced to submit both a whole blood and cloacal swab sample for analysis when possible. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Handling: Prior to shipping samples should be stored at 4 C. (refrigerator). Samples must be shipped in a padded envelope or box. Samples may be sent by regular mail, but overnight is recommended. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Limitations: Vaccination of birds using a killed virus or DNA vaccine prior to testing does not affect the accuracy of a PCR test.

Thanks Sco-tie I had considered reopening the old one but this is better. Fluffy was checked by an Avarian Vet this afternoon. The Brisbane Bird Vet. The prognosis is more likely Feather Duster. I requested bloods to be done to rule out PBFD and Polyovirus (S). The bloods are being sent to South Africa for analysis. I will here back in minimum two weeks. Fluffy and his "Family" will be under quarentine control till then. Quarentine control in an avairy is different to Normal Quarentine. Sco-tie can you explain what that is? I'll be back in 3 hours to continue.

Sorry Bea I didn't think of that one at the time. But i'll make a note of your thoughts.

Terri I and many othes have had enought of this. If you can't leave it be.

The Administration and Moderators of this forum wish to acknowldge that there are some members interested in Show Birds and there keeping. We also acknowledge that people are happy with keeping pet budgerigars. We are interested in knowing if we should increase this section for those more interested in the keeping, breeding and preparation for show of Show Budgerigars.

It because we love them and care for them, against what you may think. I said that some breeder will take the risk. Now don't put me into that category!

Well Adam is the main Administrator of this forum and also the main web site. Unfortunatly his house was hit by lightning in the middle of the year. Blew his computer system. He was gone for some time. After fixing it came back and then disappeared back in August. We have been trying to contact him to see what is wrong, but with out luck. We will keep trying

Thanks Sco-tie Why i ask about the club is that we have missed placed our main Administrator. Adam and are trying to find him. I have been given a very good lead tonight to try tomorrow. I though you might know him.

Yes there are some that are more difficult than others. Current SQBBA Standard Colour Schedule 1,2 Normal - Light Green 3,4 Normal - Dark or Olive Green 5,6 Normal - Grey Green 7,8 Normal - Sky Blue 9,10 Normal - Cobalt, Mauve, Violet, Violet Sky, Violet Mauve 11,12 Normal - Grey 13,14 Lutino - Yellow 15,16 Albino - White 17,18 Cinnamon - Green or Blue Series 19,20 Lacewing (includes Opaline) - Yellow or white 21,22 Opaline Normal - Green or Blue Series 23,24 Opaline AOSV - Green or Blue Series 25,26 Clear Body Normal (Including Opalines) - Green or Blue Series 27,28 Dominant Pied ASV - Green or Blue Series 29,30 Yellowface ASV (excluding Pieds & Spangles) - Blue Series 31,32 Spangle ASV (excluding Double Factor & Pieds) - Green or Blue Series 33,34 Spangle Double Factor - Yellow or White 35,36 Greywing (excluding Opaline, Cinnamon, & Yellowface) - Green or Blue Series 37,38 Clearwing (Excluding Opaline, Cinnamon, & yellowface) - Green or Blue Series 39,40 Fallow (including Opaline) - Green or Blue Series 41,42 Blackeye Self (Excluding Opaline) - Yellow or White 43,44 Danish Recessive Pied ASV - Green or Blue Series 45,46 Crested ASV - Green or Blue Series 47,48 AOV Standardised (including Saddleback, Dark Eyed Clear, Darkwing, Suffused Yellow/White) - Green or Blue Series 49,50 AOV Non- Standardised - Green or Blue Series. A bit winded hey. These classes are broken up into (A)Old Bird, (B)Young Bird, (N/F)Nest feather. Also in to Cocks (odd numbers) and Hens (even numbers). Also into Novist, Intermediate and Open (Champion) the Bird on the left will be Division Novist Class 32 N/F The bird on the right will be Division Novist Class 22 N/F AOV - All Other Verieties AOSV - All other Standard Verieties ASV - All Standard Verieties. The Standard refers to the The Standard. A document that relates to the requitred Standard of a bird for Show.

Thanks Sco-tie, The chick is being examed tomorrow. Depending on the visual we will have bloods and washes done. I'll let you know the out come. Also welcome to the forum. It is rarely this Fiesty. I am curious. you wouldn't be with a club in Adelaide would you?

Terri I think you better reread this topic. You asked me. I answered That had nothing to do with me. Then you took off. The breeder isn't involved in this forum. Do you say thats rubbish and you know it. You just waited for some half baked chance to have a go at those involved in Breeding or Show and that was all it took. I said that you said Well what do you say to those people reading this forum that have Brothers,, Sisters, Fathers or mothers that have disabilities. Do you say Iam sorry but the chances are that might give that disability to your children or to their children..... so you carn't start a family you might pass it on to them.

My pleasure.

You obviously have got a clue what you are talking about. This topic started as a discussion on A young chick with at the time could be a genetic disorder called a feather duster. You have now swung it around to Show birds and back on your favourite subject of Irresponcible breeding. There are may here that have had enough. Are you trying to tell the world that if you breed a normal cock to an opaline hen. Every single cock will be split to opaline. If you are you are less informed than I thought you where. You are saying that because this chick has a defective gene it's whole family has it. That is what you are saying. Terri you have absolutely no idea in what you are talking about so please do everyone a favour and keep out of the discussion.

Fair enough. PHT's Budgerigar World > Click on the Assessing link. It is very informative.

But what are you keeping it for? Future Show or to breed or for a pet. If you are going to keep for Show, you keep them for 3 to 6 months. You can't tell know what they will be. (Ugly duckling story)

Oh I don't know, Not as much as my other chicks. I don't think.

Fluffy is 38 days old today.

Try this one Fluffy

You hope that the birds is good for most points. It is hard to be good in everything.