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kaz is it possable that the chicks are cinnamon grey wing spangles and the others are just grey wing ????cinnamons Dunno Mate..........here's some photos....maybe someone can tell from these. im not up on my grey wing cinnamon genes but to look at in photo these only look to be diluted kaz i can not see cinnamon but you know your cinnamons ...is it possable that you only have grey wings / to cinn as the eyes still pink when they only split as you know Spangle tail defenently spangled and opaline but some look normal spangled full body grey wing will give a greyish tail feather is that pos other wize i know you can get cinnamon grey wings so their my guesses cant wait for out come

You DO KNOW you are allowed to post pictures 640 by 480 dont you ?? :hug: lol kaz thats so funny lol i thought i was just getting old and needed glasses soz nowbudgie but it really is hard when details so small we really need to see the birds in 4 angles frount sides back and head face shots always good aswell i do think its not just dom pie so untill pics cant help

looks can be deceving she doesnt seem to have iris rings need to see her back to conferm if she dom or rec

a gf cobalt domanant pie hen (with normal wing markings ) to a spangle vishual violet cock this pair have two eggs first layed 20th july second layed 22nd july then i have a mauve opaline dominant pie hen to a skyblue (normal wing markings)split for opaline and split for rececive pie this pair she is bumming up and egg forming so should be egg in few days this next pair was put back in aviry as i wanted to do all show stock together and pet types first so i replaced them with my gf sky opaline spangle / rec pied /cinnamon cock (jimmy banks) and maisie (my cinnamon opaline df dominant pied /rec pied hen) this is replacment pairing they are due to have first egg any day now they were paired up on 14th this pair next .... a golden face cinnamon opaline 1 factor violet dominant pied hen and a skyblue (normal wing) split for cinnamon ,opaline and rececive pied this pair have two eggs first egg layed the 20th july second egg layed today 22nd july so thats whats happening at my place all birds laying as expected acording to my calculations :hug:

she is spangled i dont think dominant but need closer picture of her face and better picture of back to tell YOU anything else you cant just go on cere colouration for age can you please get nice head shot and a back shot cheers

kaz is it possable that the chicks are cinnamon grey wing spangles and the others are just grey wing ????cinnamons

may not of been a infection dave but i guess you will not know this till you breed her again if it was then the same thing may reaccure due to cock mabe holding it as they were very intermate and feeding eachother personally i think it was some other cause but just if you do have it reacurre mabe think abuout having both birds tested and the new hen for an answer (as im sure you would)but im interested to know for myself what the cause of this may have been possable the mum just wasnt feeding them well enough and they just became weak she may of only let dad feed this meaning not enough crop milk ????i dont know does the male produce crop milk too?

so a hen that plucks may not pluck passed the down when feathers come in she may stop ??? okay as i didnt give my hen a chance then as she made the fluffyest chicks bald i just removed them to another nest mabe i should have waited ????

you make me smile again kazz this shows me my birds are good and that i will succeed with my challange ahead beky hen or not my birds will produce quality i always looked at genetics and then vishual but been doing bit of both to be safe of late may just add you are going places quickly your birds have improved massive since i joined last year the sight its good practace to any one looking at getting birds to see if you can veiw as many related birds possable be fore saying yes or no to a purchuse this helps to verafy if the birds genetics are potant or not sometimes the smaller not so good bird is the better bird so long as the genetic make up is their put with a nother geneticly ballanced bird out comes are usually always a welcomed suprize :hug:

you can tell as the tail feather is aqua it is possibly df violet sky blue as his violet is quiet visable over the sky if he looks to be cobalt then he is for sure df violet

as you have cliped his wings i am unable to tell how ever do you know what colour his flights were and the tail feather is it black white or black and a white one also ?????

you did so try your best rip fluff :hug:

so glad she was caught such a lovley hen i was wondering dave you say you think the chicks were getting a virus or infection so you think it was the hen who was passing it on is it possable the cock was the one who had the infection or virus ???? as if they were feeding each other mabe the both got it or mabe dad only had it as he looks like he was feeding well just i thought however i personally dont think it was that i think it was related to something else how old were the chicks when they did die i know the little one was weak and sickly looking after being all good but is it posable that mum feed new chick a bit more than the other chick overwelmed mabe ....which chick lived was it the second one hatched ??? anyway best of luck dave the albino and spangle are beautiful so and you have a few more this is good rezult for first try at show stock breeding for quality(if thats your aim)

hi elise the breeding cage that you have the clamps on top off the box that are conected to the screws they actually turn in line with the wire to slip the box down off the cage for cleaning so thats how the clamp thing works k pm me if need b

that was some good advice dave and that is one lovley pairing best of luck from me

that is a fantastic clear v i agree with your partner this what opaline in about achiving if you ask me good work splat

me beautiful... the internet is a wonderful thing hey... lol ... thanks GB :hug: hay i havent seen a visual i go by overall persons individual person (personality ) :hug: :hug: right back

They are in a separate breeding cage, I'm not actually colony breeding, and even if I was, I don't have another dominant pied..... , the only other cock I have is a cobalt normal. The mother is recessive pied presumably (no iris rings), if the chick is definitely DF dominant pied, the mother would have to be dominant pied as well...? The chick did have the white opaline down...... Now everyone's confused..... Dean_NZ - Thanks for the explanation about the potential for white chicks from 2 YF2 parents, I never really got that bit about there being SF & DF YF2 and how that breeds on... their is to explinations for this out come 1 the hen is to young but i dont think so she to me looks to be rec pied but ... and 2 she is a dominant pied hen from a domanaint pied / rec ped hen causing badley marked dom pie and holding the rec gene the iris rings dont always show also kazzy pointed something out to me today when questioning my own chicks mutation out comes she has come to a conclushion as i two agree with her that split opaline cocks get the white down as do split cin chicks get the plum eyes for first few days as we have norm cocks split for opaline who had white down in nest ..... just a thery at moment also hen is a gf sky blue and father mauve which explains the beautiful colours mum could be opaline as i had one for ages who never visually looked opaline but defenently was kaz only just explained to me that their is a way to tell its if the barring on head is broken going lenghth ways across from eye to eye like this - - - - - - insted of full bar with out brakes and mabe dad is df dom just heavly marked only another cluthch will tell the truth of the matter next time put mum with a normal split opaline split rec pie cock that way if you get a opaline cock and a few rec pieds you will have your awnser hope this all made sence pm me if you need more explained oh and if she has the broken barring she is defenently rec pie and dad yf2 mauve df dom this gives 100 percent dom chicks the new chicks look to me to be mabe comming out like harliquine breed opaline gf norms so mum probbly is rec dad may be split rec love to see chicks frount and back when feathered up as this would help me solve your mistry

Alas, it is well deserved .... i got a few like that um but my words are not permitted on here i do name some infact some you guys got a bird named after you lol the first one was jimmy banks as he made me laugh all the time so did my mate in the aviary he is my gf sky violet opaline / cin/ rec pie, spangle cock bird then theirs massie she is is very peaceful and beautiful she is my df opaline cinnamon sky violet / rec pie ,domaniant pie hen theirs splat bird, who i just call splat hen theirs also Julie she is a opaline cinnamon sky violet hen theirs cat (named after our kaz )she has a ***** cat face theirs that word ill say lion head instead their is others liv and some others i have had plesure to chat with and have a bird that reminds me ofmy friends personalitys oh one i bred, after me i named at kazzys place regarding how much id pay for a good bird :rofl: its called tight **** :rofl: :rofl: but has since changed to swampy as she sits like a swamp monster theirs jonh and dave my albinos (dave is a hen) they were my first pair albinos i never thought i would ever get a chance at getting one of jonh and daves and gregs albinos so i got the best ones i could and settled at calling them after them (how ever i now do have some their birds so ..) greg is a grey green opaline cock cindy is my new caulfield family bird as she is a doll i got billy my rec pie cock cobalt blue philip my sky violet fellow cock barney is my grey wing sky blue cock genifer is my other albino hen as it means pure pritty much they all have names some times i do forget them but if the actual bird in infrount of me then i remember its name no probs i dont get them mixed as their all so difrent in personalitys oh edmund is my grey green/rec pie i love him theirs joey and milton my /lacewings mr persaval my mave violet cinn/lacewing cock id be here all night if i kept going after all i have 50 plus birds all with names helps when remembering fam history with out looking up rings and paper work just as your own family you dont forget their names ...however i have called my daughter luke many times and son her name :rofl: it does happen with birds to and can get confusing at times when didcussing with kazzy who so and so came from and shes so and so so's grandaughter and billys her nephew lol but works for me after all they all my babys no matter how many i have

okay daz how do i tell if my bird is a dark eyed clear or a doubble factor spangle ?????? do these birds both have the same look or is it that dark eye clears have yellow wings going to white like a lutino ???? thanks also the dark eyed clears breed at my club by one member his have fainted markings is this not desirabale as he seems to breed it deliberate not cin grey faint markings

time will tell they only o8 birds so ....

i see the photo box is working sum what nice grey hen mate they all nice but love her

:hooray: thats so cheeky :hooray: so many naughty tricks out their just to win that :party0011: who would actually do that remove feathers from a split rececive thats like only cheatting your self macca thats so sneaky java script:add_smilie("","smid_9")

what did the other chicks come out as their is a spangle and what looks to be a dom on the far left but it is heavily marked and could be a rec pie do you have pics of them all now and if not how old are they now ?????just as they may not get iris rings till later and could be doms exept of course the spangle