Jen144

"Both parents have to carry the recessive pied gene they can be a recessive pied or be a normal split to recessive pied I believe Storm is an Opaline too, and when bred she gives 1 gene to the male which makes them split to opaline but not visual (they need 2 sex linked genes to be visual and hen's only need 1 to be visual with a sex-linked gene only) Banshee has iris rings yes" So her chicks, if male, would be split for Opaline, and if female would be Opaline..would her mate have to be split for Opaline before any of the chicks would get opaline? Yes he does. He's just gone through his first moult (those pics were before that, so in them he didn't) and they are hard to see..but with the flash on the camera, good light or a torch..then he has iris rings. That means he has to be split for Rec. Pied or be something else entirely doesn't it, since Recessive Pieds don't have iris rings?

"I don't know what he looks like do you have a picture you can post here to make it simple Make sure it is front and back. If a bird is split for recessive pied he could have gotten it from either parents it is not sex-linked. :hap: Do you have a closer picture of the back of both the birds in question please. Storm looks like an opaline too." okay. Here are some pics of Banshee: And his brother (I don't have him anymore, and these pics don't really show his back, sorry..hope it helps though): So you're saying that to be Recessive Pied, both parents have to be split? (or one rec. pied and one normal)? I thought Storm could be Opaline..nobody has mentioned anything about that, and there is colour through her wings..but not as much as other most Spangle Opalines I've seen. Another question.. Opaline is sex-linked isn't it? So how would that go to her chicks, would the father also have to be split or something for it to actually come out in their chicks?

okay..With Storm being split for Recessive pied, that would explain why her baby would be Recessive Pied (both parents being split for Rec. Pied) and Storm still have the iris rings..But what about Banshee? He was from a normal budgie and Storm..The normal did not look split for Recessive Pied at all (though I do know it doesn't have to be visible all the time) so what is Banshee? If he's a Clearflight Pied (as he definetly has no white band) doesn't that mean that Storm is both Pieds, seeing as Banshee's father couldn't have been split for Clearflight Pied? And if Banshee's actually split for Rec. Pied instead, that would mean that his father also was split? For Storm to be clearflight Pied as well, she would have to have the clear flight feathers wouldn't she? Or doesn't a clearflight Pied have to have that?? Because for Storm to be split for rec pied, she wouldn't have the white around the neck would she, unless she were also split for clearflight pied? Also, what I have seen of Spangles with the pied marking, it kind of looks different to an actual Pied..or that just might be my imagination. Though Banshee's brother was a Spangle and not any type of Pied, and his spot was not like Storm's..But I didn't think that even Spangles had the head spot, and the white around the neck as well, though I'm probably wrong here? :hap:

Okay, so that means that Banshee (Storm's previous chick from a while ago) is actually Dominant Pied with no white band, as well as Storm? And if the baby is Rec. Pied, then that means that Storm has to be split for Rec. Pied doesn't it?

The cheek patches have come in, enough for me to see definetly what colour they are..and they are grey, no doubt about it..(well, a little..they could be grey, or maybe might be dark blue..I'm not so sure now) Here's some pics of Storm's wings..though you can't really see if she's Clearflight very well, seeing as she's Spangle there's a lot of white there..and they were taken from far away. Though as far as I can see, she is not Clearflight, she has markings all the way down her wings, it's only her chicks that have white flight feathers and the rest is normal markings..: And Nev (I think it was nev)said that one of her chicks from a while ago is Dominant Pied, and that bird has all the signs of Dominant Pied, but has white around his neck at the front like his mother..and also like his mother has no band of white at all. And that chick was from her and a normal, that wasn't split for Recessive. He is the second bird, in the picture of Cinder and 2 other birds..the one closest to Cinder. Edit: I have just been looking this up on google, and I found this: "A budgie that is clearflight pied will have all clear flight feathers. Sometimes also the major coverts (row of feathers above the flight feathers) and/or the tail feathers will also be clear. Usually a clearflight pied will have some small patches of clear body feathers up around the neck. Clearflight pieds also have a patch of clear feathers on the back of the head." about Clearflight Pieds..which soo sounds like Storm, and her son I was mentioning..except for one thing, on her she has no clear flight feathers,(though she does have all white tail feathers) on her son he has almost all clear flight feathers, some slight markings on them, same as his tail, though it does have some colour as well..and on the baby, completely clear flight feathers and tail as far as I can see..they still have yet to reach their full length..And [all of those birds have virtually no colour variation or white on their front except for some white patchs around the neck..though the baby has a lot of wihte on her chest.

I think the reason someone said Cinder had a grey factor was that he looks Mauve, but he also has a lot of grey feathers on him too. (rather hard to see in pictures.) So much so, that when I look closely, almost 50% of his front is patches of grey, the rest is a Mauve colour. It was closed breeding,the mum had been in an aviary with another male, but that was a few months before I put her with Cinder. I also think that the baby is grey, because Mauve is a more dark blue colour, and she is most definetly a grey colour..Her colour is also lighter than in the pictures. Here's some pics of Storm's back..not very good detail but you might be able to see her wings: She does have a white patch on the back of her head and on her neck, though it is hard to see as she is Spangle so her wings have a lot of white as well... She is almost 2 years old, and does have iris rings. I have no idea whether Storm is split for Recessive, I only know for certain with Cinder..so there is a possibility of the baby being both Dominant and Recessive Pied, right?

Okay..someone mentioned (I don't now where, could have been here) that Storm, the mum, was a Rec. Pied, not a Dominant Pied..I'm confused now.

I agree with Elly .........need a wing shot of the mother. Front shot shows nothing. Wing shots of the baby show coloured flights so I say recessive. The mother is a Violet Dominant Pied Spangle, according to what I was told here. You mean the baby's flight feathers look coloured? If that's what you mean then no, her flights aren't coloured, they are white. I've heard a budgie can be both Dominant Pied and Recessive..the father is split Recessive, does that mean the baby could be both?

Here is a picture of her back: And her parents: http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee330/Jen1404/Storm.jpg Cinder (the father) is the one in the front: I know virtually nothing the grey factor, but someone told me Cinder might have a grey factor, when I asked about his mutation quite a while ago..

Can anyone tell me what colour and mutation this budgie is? She's only 28 days old, but you can see her colour. I'm guessing she's a grey Dominant Pied. (if the pictures aren't good enough quality I'll try to get some better ones) Perhaps its just my imagination, but her body colour seems to have a violet tinge to it..you can't really see it in the photos, but her front is a light grey-sort of violet colour, while between her wings is a dark grey, more of a Mauve. (you also can't see in the photos but she does have the white patch at the back of her head):

That's a really useful site..thanks.

Is there anything else that the bells could possibly be made of that is toxic? They are definetly not made of copper. okay maesie, that is what I thought might happen with the tinsel. Similar with what could happen with lizards if they ate something like that..crop impaction..I assumed that could happen too in budgies? Pity I can't use much more than probably the bells and some balls.

Ohh..are toys with string from the petshop not safe, even? Okay, that is a great idea..I'll probably use that. Another little question.. Some of these things had bells on them, if I cut off the bells and attached them to some of the bird's original toys, (many of the bells that were on those toys had to be chucked because they got rusty) would that be okay? I'm wondering if maybe the metal these bells are made of may harm them, though they do look identical to the original bells I bought from the petshop, I want to be sure.. P.S. What is dangerous about the tinsel? The only thing I can think of is that they could chew through the stuff and eat it somehow? Or they might get their foot caught?

Alright..if there is any risk to my birds getting hurt I won't use them..ah well, I have a few balls with no string or anything, and some other things which I think would not risk them at all. I'll use these, they are still good toys and perches.

Well I've got some spare decorations I've been looking at, and those balls with the string..The string is barely string, it's more of threads, very easily broken when the ball is frayed..If a budgie got caught (which is unlikely with these I think, you are the one talking from experience) the bird could easily break them..I was mainly worried about them maybe swallowing any little bits of string and choking themselves. Would that then be safe, (considering how weak the string is) especially if I got rid of any they had torn up too much, and/or cut off spare bits of thread?

Darn..that would have been great toys for them..Can you tell me what isn't safe about them, at least so I know what is likely to be safe? (I know why glitter wouldn't be, but I don't know why tinsel especially wouldn't be?..Out of all of those I would have thought tinsel could be the safest..)

I'm thinking of making my budgies some toys myself..And Christmas decorations seem very useful to make a lot of things for them..I was wondering if doing that would be safe? Ie, some has glitter that is loose and comes off all the time, some made of balls with string very tightly wrapped over it (wondering if the string got loose from them chewing it that it might hurt the birds) and tinsel. I wouldn't use the things with glitter, but would anything with string be okay, as well as tinsel? Because if it were safe, some of these things would make great perches, toys, etc..Just wanting to make sure before I add anything to their cage. Thanks.

Okay thanks. Is there any way work out how many can fit based on the size? (I've heard of a way but I cannot remember it..it was on here I think, but I can't find it again)

How many budgies can I fit comfortably, on a permanent basis, in an aviary that is almost 6 feet high, 5 feet long, and 5 feet wide?

Okay I have another question. Would too much of it (every day) perhaps make them overweight? They do live in a pretty big avairy, but I'm just wondering if sprouted seeds could be fattening for them?

I was waiting for someone to ask that. No, she hasn't been, it because she's a Dominant Pied, thats her white patch on the back of her head.

*sigh* that is great..and yeah I know she's a Dominant Pied, she's going to be so pretty..probably Spangle too. I was just worried because she is kind of small and has less pinfeathers then that other bird. I know they develop at different rates, but I was just making sure she was okay. Thanks.

Is this baby alright? She's 18 days old, I'm just wondering if she is developing okay..sorry if this is a stupid question, its just she's the only survivor in a clutch of 6 eggs, so I'm kind of paranoid about her. :sad: Here's some pictures of her: One of a budgie, 17 days old:(which I got off the internet, I hope that is allowed here :yes: )

Hmm..I didn't know that the developing iris rings and the losing the bars varies..I've just checked on him/her again and had a closer look..I'm pretty sure 'she' is a 'he' lol..His/her cere is pink, with blue around the nostrils, and considering how white-ish his irises are, I'm saying..4-5 months maybe? 6 at max.. I especially think its a boy because it has no white on the cere...ah well, Sunny is a good enough name for a boy..