Derek

The Orange is what they used to call " hot coloured lutino." These are bred by using dark factor birds. Many breeders of old had these, Margery Kirby-Mason, Harry Harrison to name a few. I have no doubt that Jorge DePina acquired some of these lines from his mate Binks. Mr Harrison had the best show quality Lutino's, like the one below. "> I'm sure pink and red mutations have popped up from time to time. Even with a nest box full of pink or red young it may not be enough to establish a line. Which I'm also sure is what has happened in the past! But it's nice to dream Derek! One day it may be you! What would you call this? A Pink face greyType 2 Recessive pied? "> Last one looks like a cross between a budgie and a galah.

Hi Steve What you are talking about is similar to mine here http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=18798 1.5 wide X 2.2 deep and 1.8 high. Made by Absco and cost just over $600. However, what I did was buy it from Harvey Norman on the latest deal - no deposit, no interest no payments until 2010. That's 22 months interest free. Mate also something to think of. Search on eBay. I have seen some great bargains on there for pretty well near brand new aviaries.

Thanks for that Nat. I love your quote .............. it doesn't just apply to breeding budgies. Thanks again Derek

I actually saw that myself and thought it was a bargain. Good one.

I am also going to cabinet breed as well but who knows, I may also throw a few nest boxes in the main aviary.

Hi DrNat I have heard you are a very good source on genetics of budgies so with your short response I have to ask .......... YES, it can happen?; or YES, it has happened? Derek

I bought 4 small angle brackets and simply screwed it through the walls. One good thing about a metal aviary just drill and screw it.

As you can see in this photo the front lifts out to allow me access to everything.,

Yep, sure am. My membership of the ABS got accepted at their last meeting.

Have just finished giving the breeding cages a lick of paint and installed them inside the aviary. As you can see they fit neatly behind the screen so that the other birds can see but not touch. Nest boxes are new built by Daz.

Below is an extract from John Scoble's book, The Complete Book Of Budgerigars. He discusses the posibility of a red and/or pink mutation and the fact that it has appeared before. What are your thoughts

Name: Derek Pets: No real pets but just about to start my breeding stud of budgies. I did have a cockateli for 17 years but he departed this world two years ago Favorite Color: Green Astrological Sign: Virgo Age: 55 (Baby Boomer) Weakness: I cry at the movies Strength: Honesty and integrity Favorite Animal: I love all animals Favorite T.V. Show: Australian documentaries Live: Forest Lake, Queensland, Australia How long have been a BBC member: 23March 2008

Just picked up this one on eBay

I am thinking out loud here as much as anything but I would have thought that the dried lentils, peas and barley would have lost most of their vitamins and proteins byt the time they get to the budgies. Anyone thought of that.

Congratulations Kaz. Well done. Derek

Looking gooooooooooooooood

I actually find all of the mutations quite intriguing. What I find even more interesting on this one is the fact that he found the two original birds at a market sale. Usually I don't even bother looking at birds at the market but this has prompted me to actually do so in future. Never know, it could mutate here in Australia.

GEO is the Greek for global. I used to work for a company called GEO.

Wow, Daz, thats not good. Good you caught it in time before you had majoe casualities.

Hi Norm What percentage crude protein and what percentage crude fat is there in chicken starter. I have Vetafarm Budgie and Finch Crumbles and it has 19% crude protein and 7% crude fat in it. Thanks

Perhaps you could list all that he is eating.

No it's real. Here is some reading on it http://www.euronet.nl/users/hnl/blackfa.htm

Doing a bit of research and came across this one. Never heard of it before. From what I can find out it only has been recorded in the Netherlands. http://www.budgieplace.com/v_blackface2.jpg Picture from Budgieplace

Listen to this. http://www.budgieplace.com/m_chirpall.mp3 Or this http://eterri.com/sweet.mp3

Really neat Daz.