Elly

((sorry to hear about the loss)) :rip:

how would you know the difference?

Nerwen is right, avian vets actually suggest 90 days

Well I can't give you advice on how to improve the line with size, spots, but I can work out the mutation portion. I do know Daz wrote up a good one in the breeding section about recessives and I remember reading that their size is the biggest issue because they are usually a slighter bird .

I'm sorry Elly, it's just that I was not familiar with the new way the replies show up at the bottom and I did not see them at first. Gotcha (Laughing out loud) I figured you didn't see it but didn't figure out why now I know

You are still in our prayers Lucas

Ahh......(Laughing out loud) gotcha

Awe she passed away? I am so sorry ((hugs))

Cool deal feathers on the winning WOW - your birds are gorgeous Kaz wonderful looking birds, the grey is gorgeous. Recessive pied you are going to specalize in? Now I really have to FLY out to you (Laughing out loud)

They are gorgeous Kaz

Well keep us updated and I do hope everything works out for you and your bird.

about? Nerwen answered your question and was looking for pics of the parents. .

30 days is nothing compared to the chance of loosing your other budgies. It goes by FAST. My son is 8 already where did the time go (Laughing out loud). For the sake of your existing bird (s) quaratine is extremely important.

No that is not possible your bird is very sick and needs a vet have you called?

I agree again, Kaz you pinned it right on the head why it should be removed.

I hope you can get her in before it is too late Keep her calm, warm and covered I wouldn't let her come out. She is doing that out if instinct if birds are sick they try not to show it or else they are someone else's dinner. Good luck.

he looks great , you didn't quarantine? :hap:

Oh and if you go into the FAQ up on top and click on breeding help you will see how to hand feed too, let us know if you have more questions.

Click here this is an excellent article where you will find your answers that Kaz our member wrote up. http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/faqs/i...=125&artlang=en

good to hear he is hanging in there

yes I would

Your welcome, keep us updated, I do hope all works out for your little one.

no problem :hap:

do you have a small heater like a space heater? I didn't have time to get Pretty warm but my husband went out and got a small space heater for my room to keep Merlin warm since we didn't know if he was sick. If you have a safe space heater you can crank it up in a small room to keep him warm. If you have a small cage you can place the cage under a lamp but keep the cage covered so it is not shining in her face. You can also use a heating pad under the cage on low. Until you get your budgie to the vet, separate him from all your other birds. It's a good idea to keep a small spare cage around to use as a hospital cage. Put this in a warm, quiet room. If your budgie is looking very puffed, he/she is cold and trying to stay warm. You can put the cage in your bathroom letting the hot water run in the bath/shower so that he can get warmth from the steam. You can also place a heating pad under the cage. Set it on low and underneath a towel. Place the cage on top of the towel. Heat lamps can work as well but with any method, make sure the budgie isn't going to get uncomfortably hot. We're not trying to cook the budgie, just keep the chill away. The perches in the hospital cage should be low. If your budgie is having trouble perching, place something soft (that won't snag his toenails) in the bottom of the cage. Food and water should also be offered at the bottom of the cage so that they're more easily accessed by a poorly budgie.

Call the avian vet (make sure it is not a regular vet) and ask how much an office visit is, they will probably do a gram stain, fecal testing and will examine the bird if he is not too weak. If you find it is expensive ask if they have payment arrangements and let them know how sick your bird. If your budgie is going to die yes let it die naturally. I just went through this 6wks ago so I know how urgent it is to get them to the vet. I got Pretty do the vet and he still passed away. Pretty was tame so I held him and he died in my hands. If your bird is not tame you can put a soft towel on the bottom of the transport cage or regular cage and lay him on it if he can't perch anymore. That is what happened with Pretty I put a towel on the transport cage. I am sorry you are going through this at a time where you can not get to a vet you are a very responsible young person and I applaude you for wanting to get him to the vet. Keep him as warm as possible over 75degrees F (C - ?), keep him covered and do the best you can. Even if you have a spray of millet give it to him even if he doesn't eat it that is okay. Here is info I copy and pasted from our FAQ: What if I can't afford the vet and/or my parents won't take me?? At the very least, call your avian veterinarian for advice. But do keep in mind that to deny an animal health care is cruel and unfair. Before you bring a budgie home make sure that this is something you can provide for him/her. It is part of basic care and should not be considered an option. Too many budgies out there suffer because no one wants to pay the vet bill for a bird that costs so little to begin with. Your budgie depends on you for all its needs and medical care is one of the biggest. Many vets are willing to work out payment plans for people who are unable to pay the entire vet bill at the time of the visit. Don't just assume that you won't be able to afford the visit. Be straightforward and honest with your vet about your budget from the beginning. Also, make sure that your vet knows how badly you want your bird treated and how much it means to you. A caring budgie owner is something they don't come in contact with nearly as often as they should. Sad, but true. Lastly, if you don't have a job, can't get a loan from your parents, and your vet won't work out a payment plan, look around your room. Most of us has something worth a little money to sell. To love an animal is to do and give anything you can to keep it healthy and happy. To merely like an animal is to give it food, water, and a place to live that may or may not be up to par. I for one can't understand why a person would keep an animal for any reason other than loving it but I've seen many who do just that. If that's the case with you, it would be a good idea to reconsider owning a pet that your heart isn't completely into taking care of. We want your budgie to get better and live a full life but in the end, that's up to you. If your budgie is sick or hurt, get it to a vet! At least CALL the vet before posting here. I know in a moment of panic you do all you can to figure out what is going on. But I promise you that it's faster to dial a phone number than it is to type up a frantic post on a bird forum. Especially if you put your avian vet on speed dial or tape the number to your phone. And you should...right now