A New Test.

[nubbly5 0]

Parents visually are:

Normal cobalt cock

Lutino hen

 

Babies are:

Lutino hen

Albino cock

Cinnamon olive cock

Normal Skyblue hen

 

 

Assuming no other recessive hiddens apart from whats come out what are which parents split or masking and what could the chicks be split or masking?

Edited October 8, 2009 by nubbly5

[RIPbudgies 0]

Is this pairing and results actual or hypothetical?

[nubbly5 0]

Hypothetical - but you are banned from making an early answer!!!!! You are too expert in the genetics area and should let some others have a go first (too smart for the rest of us :ohmygod: ). Or are you going to point out where I muffed up again....... :camera: coz that's okay. I'd rather know that I have not got something wrong somwhere.

[renee 0]

Parents visually are:

Normal cobalt cock

Lutino hen

 

Babies are:

Lutino hen

Albino cock

Cinnamon olive cock IS he a Normal or is this a trick?

Normal Skyblue hen

 

 

Assuming no other recessive hiddens apart from whats come out what are which parents split or masking and what could the chicks be split or masking?

 

Well genetics is not my forte but in the interests of having a go ...... :camera:

 

So forget the recessive varieties for which we have established in another post could be endless ....

 

Sex Linked Varieties : Lutino Hen is masking Cinnamon, Albino Cock is split Cinnamon

 

Blue Series: Lutino Hen is split Blue and so is Olive Cock.

 

Green Series: Albino Cock and Sky Hen are split Green.

 

okay, I think you get an Olive from combining Green with a Dark Factor bird, such as a Cobalt .... so I'll go out on a limb and say the Sky Hen is Split Cobalt

 

Yayayayay! That's me done :ohmygod:

Edited October 8, 2009 by renee

[nubbly5 0]

okay to clarify - Cinnamon olive chick is non opaline.

[renee 0]

okay to clarify - Cinnamon olive chick is non opaline.

 

okay, I edited my post to reflect that .... But it seems too easy so I must be missing something

[RIPbudgies 0]

Hypothetical - but you are banned from making an early answer!!!!! You are too expert in the genetics area and should let some others have a go first (too smart for the rest of us ). Or are you going to point out where I muffed up again....... coz that's okay. I'd rather know that I have not got something wrong somwhere.

 

 

I figured I would be banned from making early posts. I believe in people learning from figuring it out for themselves.

 

I can point out an error if you wish me too but at this stage I will not. It can be a learning exercise also.

 

I am away till Monday (escort job again....oh my that sounds suss don't it ). Gina I'll be in mobile range till I get to Wubin after that who knows.

 

Cheers all and have fun.

[nubbly5 0]

Hypothetical - but you are banned from making an early answer!!!!! You are too expert in the genetics area and should let some others have a go first (too smart for the rest of us ). Or are you going to point out where I muffed up again....... coz that's okay. I'd rather know that I have not got something wrong somwhere.

 

 

I figured I would be banned from making early posts. I believe in people learning from figuring it out for themselves.

 

I can point out an error if you wish me too but at this stage I will not. It can be a learning exercise also.

 

I am away till Monday (escort job again....oh my that sounds suss don't it ). Gina I'll be in mobile range till I get to Wubin after that who knows.

 

Cheers all and have fun.

 

OMG and you don't sleep either

 

Enjoy escorting all those big boys You can tell me where I've buggered up again then! (Although I think you are just a bit mean to not tell me now).

 

okay anyone else going to give this a go? Good effort there Renee!

 

 

Oooh ooh I reckon I know where I've cocked it up - Sorry Renee I've changed it a bit...... but you are on the right track there apart from one bit.

 

 

Parents visually are:

Normal cobalt cock

Lutino hen

 

Babies are:

Lutino hen

Albino cock

Opaline olive cock

Normal Skyblue hen

 

So all I've changed just one outcome from Cinnamon Olive Cock to Opaline Olive Cock anyone hazzard to guess why?

Edited October 8, 2009 by nubbly5

[RIPbudgies 0]

Most excellent ol' nubbly one. See you didn't need me to tell you the mistake. You figured it out.

 

okay now I am really going.

 

Cursor is heading towards start button; PRESS.

Select Shut Down; PRESS

 

Going.....................Going....................Gone.

[GenericBlue 0]

Hypothetical - but you are banned from making an early answer!!!!! You are too expert in the genetics area and should let some others have a go first (too smart for the rest of us ). Or are you going to point out where I muffed up again....... coz that's okay. I'd rather know that I have not got something wrong somwhere.

 

 

I figured I would be banned from making early posts. I believe in people learning from figuring it out for themselves.

 

I can point out an error if you wish me too but at this stage I will not. It can be a learning exercise also.

 

I am away till Monday (escort job again....oh my that sounds suss don't it ). Gina I'll be in mobile range till I get to Wubin after that who knows.

 

Cheers all and have fun.

 

OMG and you don't sleep either

 

Enjoy escorting all those big boys You can tell me where I've buggered up again then! (Although I think you are just a bit mean to not tell me now).

 

okay anyone else going to give this a go? Good effort there Renee!

 

 

Oooh ooh I reckon I know where I've cocked it up - Sorry Renee I've changed it a bit...... but you are on the right track there apart from one bit.

 

 

Parents visually are:

Normal cobalt cock

Lutino hen

 

Babies are:

Lutino hen

Albino cock

Opaline olive cock

Normal Skyblue hen

 

So all I've changed just one outcome from Cinnamon Olive Cock to Opaline Olive Cock anyone hazzard to guess why?

 

 

so

dad is split for ino and opaline

but then how was it that all the hens are not opaline as to get an opaline cock you need mum to be masking opaline mum is also split blue

[renee 0]

Hypothetical - but you are banned from making an early answer!!!!! You are too expert in the genetics area and should let some others have a go first (too smart for the rest of us ). Or are you going to point out where I muffed up again....... coz that's okay. I'd rather know that I have not got something wrong somwhere.

 

 

I figured I would be banned from making early posts. I believe in people learning from figuring it out for themselves.

 

I can point out an error if you wish me too but at this stage I will not. It can be a learning exercise also.

 

I am away till Monday (escort job again....oh my that sounds suss don't it ). Gina I'll be in mobile range till I get to Wubin after that who knows.

 

Cheers all and have fun.

 

OMG and you don't sleep either

 

Enjoy escorting all those big boys You can tell me where I've buggered up again then! (Although I think you are just a bit mean to not tell me now).

 

okay anyone else going to give this a go? Good effort there Renee!

 

 

Oooh ooh I reckon I know where I've cocked it up - Sorry Renee I've changed it a bit...... but you are on the right track there apart from one bit.

 

 

Parents visually are:

Normal cobalt cock

Lutino hen

 

Babies are:

Lutino hen

Albino cock

Opaline olive cock

Normal Skyblue hen

 

So all I've changed just one outcome from Cinnamon Olive Cock to Opaline Olive Cock anyone hazzard to guess why?

 

 

Oh so not fair! My original unedited reply would have been closer to the mark then?

 

Sex Linked Varieties : If the Dad is split Cinnamon you would have Albino Cock split Cinnamon and Lutino Hen masking Cinnamon

The Mum IS masking Opaline so the Albino Cock would be masking Opaline

 

Blue Series: Lutino Hen is split Blue and so is Olive Cock.

 

Green Series: Albino Cock and Sky Hen are split Green.

 

okay, I think you get an Olive from combining Green with a Dark Factor bird, such as a Cobalt .... so I'll go out on a limb and say the Sky Hen is Split Cobalt

[Dean_NZ 0]

I guess I should keep my mouth shut too then?

[nubbly5 0]

I guess I should keep my mouth shut too then?

 

Nah have a go Dean - seems I scared everyone off anyway. Maybe you can prompt some more action.......

[Dean_NZ 0]

Oooh ooh I reckon I know where I've cocked it up - Sorry Renee I've changed it a bit...... but you are on the right track there apart from one bit.

 

 

Parents visually are:

Normal cobalt cock Split for opaline and ino

Lutino hen One dark factor, masking opaline, split for blue

 

Babies are:

Lutino hen split for blue

Albino cock split for opaline, possibly split for ino (50% chance he got it from dad)

Opaline olive cock split for blue, 50% chance of being split for ino

Normal Skyblue hen

 

So all I've changed just one outcome from Cinnamon Olive Cock to Opaline Olive Cock anyone hazzard to guess why?

Because to get a cinnamon cock, the hen would have to have been a yellow lacewing, not a lutino

 

I think thats about it...

Edited October 9, 2009 by Dean_NZ

[Finnie 0]

Oooh ooh I reckon I know where I've cocked it up - Sorry Renee I've changed it a bit...... but you are on the right track there apart from one bit.

 

 

Parents visually are:

Normal cobalt cock Split for opaline and ino

Lutino hen One dark factor, masking opaline, split for blue

 

Babies are:

Lutino hen split for blue

Albino cock split for opaline, possibly split for ino (50% chance he got it from dad) Wouldn't this apply to the opaline, too? so only 50% chance /op.

Opaline olive cock split for blue, 50% chance of being split for ino

Normal Skyblue hen

 

So all I've changed just one outcome from Cinnamon Olive Cock to Opaline Olive Cock anyone hazzard to guess why?

Because to get a cinnamon cock, the hen would have to have been a yellow lacewing, not a lutino

 

I think thats about it...

 

Thanks, Dean. I was one of those who were too chicken to respond before.

Edited October 9, 2009 by Finnie

[RIPbudgies 0]

Well I am still in Perth. Seems some peeps didn't do their paperwork properly and after the visit from the heavies and weighing the truck and shifting the load it finally got approved to go. It wouldn't have been a problem if they hadn't off pulled some antiquated old single axle dolly out of the bowles of the company. So we waited all day for the permit to arrive which finally did at 3pm. Well too damn late then, can't make the designated outskirts of perth before curfew (4.30pm) so the other Pilot and myself called it a day. Now we leave in the morning 5.30am. No curfew on weekends.

 

Now come on peoples have a go at this. Ol nubbs there has made the effort to plan it so please make the effort to have a go. If you don't get it right who cares really. The fun is in trying. Get your books out. Surf the web. Do the sums...crunch the numbers.

[Daryl 0]

Oooh ooh I reckon I know where I've cocked it up - Sorry Renee I've changed it a bit...... but you are on the right track there apart from one bit.

 

 

Parents visually are:

Normal cobalt cock Split for opaline and ino

Lutino hen One dark factor, masking opaline, split for blue

 

Babies are:

Lutino hen split for blue, also 50% chance of masking Opaline

Albino cock split for opaline, possibly split for ino (50% chance he got it from dad) he IS ino so he's not possibly split ino. Also may be either split Opaline or masking Opaline. Would need to test mate to confirm.

Opaline olive cock split for blue, 50% chance of being split for ino no, he is also split ino from the mother.

Normal Skyblue hen

 

So all I've changed just one outcome from Cinnamon Olive Cock to Opaline Olive Cock anyone hazzard to guess why?

Because to get a cinnamon cock, the hen would have to have been a yellow lacewing, not a lutino

 

I think thats about it...

 

I think Dean's got it, but with the changes noted above in green:

Edited October 9, 2009 by Daryl

[daniela 0]

very hard lol

[Finnie 0]

It's fun seeing how much of this I've gotten right, and which parts I missed.

That part about the albino cock having a 50% chance of being /ino slipped right past my mind! (I was too focused on the opaline factor to notice.)

I wrote down my answers on paper last night before I went to bed, but I didn't post them. Then this morning I found some of the facts had been changed and I got confused!

But other people's answers have helped me figure out more, and even then, I still missed some of it.

I love these kinds of tests and quizzes, and I'm sure others are enjoying it, too, even if they don't post. It's great for learning.

Thank you for setting this up Nubbly5!

[Dean_NZ 0]

Oooh ooh I reckon I know where I've cocked it up - Sorry Renee I've changed it a bit...... but you are on the right track there apart from one bit.

 

 

Parents visually are:

Normal cobalt cock Split for opaline and ino

Lutino hen One dark factor, masking opaline, split for blue

 

Babies are:

Lutino hen split for blue, also 50% chance of masking Opaline Agree

Albino cock split for opaline, possibly split for ino (50% chance he got it from dad) he IS ino so he's not possibly split ino. Also may be either split Opaline or masking Opaline. Would need to test mate to confirm. Agree! Ignore the ino since he is ino lol. Meant to say he may either be split for (mum) or masking (mum + dad) opaline.

Opaline olive cock split for blue, 50% chance of being split for ino no, he is also split ino from the mother. Again, he IS split for ino and opaline.

Normal Skyblue hen

 

So all I've changed just one outcome from Cinnamon Olive Cock to Opaline Olive Cock anyone hazzard to guess why?

Because to get a cinnamon cock, the hen would have to have been a yellow lacewing, not a lutino

 

I think thats about it...

 

I think Dean's got it, but with the changes noted above in green:

 

I think I somehow started treating the opaline as the ino, perhaps it was better to do this as it seems to have gotten the ball rolling for you guys hahaha.

[Daryl 0]

Opaline olive cock split for blue, 50% chance of being split for ino no, he is also split ino from the mother. Again, he IS split for ino and opaline.

Normal Skyblue hen

 

Not sure what you're saying here. Yes, he's split for ino but he's not split for Opaline as he IS an Opaline.

[Dean_NZ 0]

Opaline olive cock split for blue, 50% chance of being split for ino no, he is also split ino from the mother. Again, he IS split for ino and opaline.

Normal Skyblue hen

 

Not sure what you're saying here. Yes, he's split for ino but he's not split for Opaline as he IS an Opaline.

 

It's called me rushing and not proof reading before I post You are right though lol.

[Daryl 0]

Opaline olive cock split for blue, 50% chance of being split for ino no, he is also split ino from the mother. Again, he IS split for ino and opaline.

Normal Skyblue hen

 

Not sure what you're saying here. Yes, he's split for ino but he's not split for Opaline as he IS an Opaline.

 

It's called me rushing and not proof reading before I post You are right though lol.

 

 

No worries mate, I understand exactly where you're coming from as I have to edit almost all my posts after I re-read what I've posted (ha ha , had to edit this one too)

 

Good post too nubbly, certainly not a straightforward result from this pair.

Edited October 10, 2009 by Daryl

[nubbly5 0]

Yeah guys - sorry about the change but when I put it together I was thinking cinnamon and then added ino for some interest - completely missing that a cinnamon-ino hen would have to be lacewing. Preety poor for a lacewing breeder if I do say so myself. Hence the change to opaline. Thankfully RIP hinted at the error enough to prompt me to figure out what I'd done

 

okay looks like the answers are out there. Thanks to everyone that had a go, no need to be scared to have a bash (as you saw the test setter cocked it up right from the start anyway ).

 

I'll try and explain the results somewhat.

 

Parents:

Normal Cobalt Cock - visually we know that he has one dark factor (cobalt) and that he is blue.

Lutino Hen - visually we know she is ino.

 

Babies:

 

Lutino hen - She must be split for blue (she will get one blue gene from dad). She will have 25% chance of no dark factor (light green), 50% chance of single dark factor (dark green), 25% chance of double dark factor (olive) depending on which genes are donated by which parent (because we know that we have both a non dark factor (skyblue hen) AND a double dark factor (Opaline Olive Cock) we know that both parents MUST be single dark factor. She will also have a 50% chance of masking opaline because in sex linked variety hens the X gene on which the trait travels is donated by the father (in the case of a hen chick). Because there is an oplaine in the nest we know he MUST be split for opaline so in the case of this hen she could have recieved the normal gene OR the opaline gene from her father. Because of she is lutino we also know that the father must be split for ino.

 

Albino cock - To get an ino cock you need an ino hen and at least a split ino cock so another reason to prove the father is split for ino. Because we know there is an oplaine in the nest as well this means that the mother has to be opaline and therefore this chick being a cock bird (2 X genes) recieves one X gene from mother (the only one she has to donate) and one from his father (who has 2 X genes to donate) so therefore this chick has 50% chance of being opaline and 50% chance of being split opaline. This guy lets you know that the mother is split for blue.

 

Opaline olive cock - this boy lets you know that both father AND mother must be at least single dark factor birds (but it doesn't tell you if the hen is double dark factor or not) and that mother HAS to be masking opaline. He is also split for blue as his father is blue. He is split for ino from his mother.

 

Normal Skyblue hen - this girl gives away that the mother must be single dark factor as she will have had to inherit 2 non dark factor genes, one from mum and one from dad - we know dad has one non dark factor so now we know mum has one non dark factor gene too.

 

Hope that is not too confusing.

 

Anyone like to design another test/quiz thing......?

Edited October 10, 2009 by nubbly5

[GenericBlue 0]

so i got it right in my dislexic way

thank goodness as id have been worryed if i had not

 

this funny as pmsl

Yeah guys - sorry about the change but when I put it together I was thinking cinnamon and then added ino for some interest - completely missing that a cinnamon-ino hen would have to be lacewing. Preety poor for a lacewing breeder if I do say so myself.

 

okay

 

double factor dominant pied cinnamon Opaline 1 factor sky violet hen

 

and

 

gf cobalt blue spangle cock

 

out come

chicks are

 

yf2 cobalt spangle rececive pie cock

 

gf sf violet cinnamon dominant pie cock

 

Opaline dominant pied hen

 

normal sky 1 factor violet hen

 

opaline cobalt rececive pied cock

 

 

what are the parents genetic splits and what are the chicks possible genetic splits

 

and yes i do know

Edited October 11, 2009 by KAZ