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Is it anything like an ioniser.

I agree with GB. The tail in that photo of the sky blue looks quite normal.

Not likely Squeak due the anti-dimorphic nature of the recessive side of the combination. The pinkish cere can still be a Dominant Pied it is just that the pied gene has acted in that location and not allowed the usuall development of the blue colour.

I like to buy from I can personally see or a trusted representative. Buying from photos, well one can enhance anything in a photo. As for BRASEA setting up a site for this. Sorry but I don't even like there current website. It is so 'dated' and amatuerish in its look and content that it just does not give an air of professionalism for my tastes.

The problem with simplifying things is that you run the risk of introducting incorrect terminology which leads to further inconsistencies and confusion down the track. The use of the term 'reverse' is one such problem. Take a normal feather feather and a spangle feather, put them side by side, where can you see the black striation has been been reversed. It has not. Opaline only affects the spangle feather in so much that the centre section that would normally show black or in some normals it will be a bluish black or greenish black will be missings and is then replaced by the body colour blue or green. The melanin is reduced because of the spangle effect. Jim Hutton has made the same mistake as everybody else by saying the markings are reversed. Keep in mind few articles are written in which the content is the author own observations but rather regurgitated from other writings without thought as to the validity of the information. It is easy to write articles and/or books. You don't need a degree. You don't even need to be right!

It is an Opaline Spangle. Lets try and clear up a myth here. The Spangle markings are NOT reversed as is written and subsequently passed on as fact by others. The spangle markings are close to the edge of the feather. There is still a yellow or white edge. The melanin present is reduced to leave line of varying degrees of thickness and depth of colour. In fact the Spangle mutation can be classed as a type of pied. The spangle gene does not reverse the Oplaine marking either. The Opaline effect is were it should be, it is just more evident due to the lack of markings.

Guess it comes down to what ever it takes to sell an object. I have seen changes in plants over the years. A new hybrid is developed and floods the market but when it eventually dies down and sales decrease they do a rename or resurrect an old but obscure name.

You have a catfish. I would have to consult my fish books for which type. My memory for aqaurium fish is not as good as it once was since I have been out of them for so many years. Why it was labelled a Bull Shark well maybe a question for the store owner.

Bull Shark. A minature one at that. Are you talking a real Bull Shark? One of the most dangerous and highly aggressive sharks in the sea. They are so quick to anger they make a White Pointer look like a puppy.

Need clearer pics but it looks like an Opaline Spangle Grey maybe Dilute in there too.

I notice you are in Perth. Which avian vet are you seeing. If you need crop tube lessons I can help but you would need to come to me. I am in Armadale.

Papa Doc your comment is just a little rude to say the least. Thanksgiving is much like our Australia Day. There are many written references for TGD but that Elly is a rather one eyed religous view. It makes it sound as though the Native Americans came to their rescue. A little far from the truth actually. The Pilgrims went to America for one reason – to form a separate community in which they could worship God as they saw fit. They had fled England because King James I was persecuting those who did not recognize the Church of England's absolute civil and spiritual authority. A Pilgram called William Bradford (his wife died)kept a journal and it is from those pages that reveal the reason why so many perished. They practised an early form of socialism. Needless to say a reform was imminent and Bradford as governor implemented change towards a common wealth system (free enterprise) and they then begun to prosper. Oh and don't forget that Indian Massacre. Much is written on the founding of America and Australia for that matter but not all is correct. Quote: "Imagination plays too important a role in the writing of history, and what is imagination but the projection of the author's personality." Pieter Geyl And there is that other quote about history is written by the victors. Halloween is another festivity whereby people seem to have lost the plot. It is a Celtic (possible roman origins too)festival called All Hallowes Eve whereby the souls of the dead walk amongst the living for one night of the year. It has always amused me that both America and Australia have there origins in England. Yet the Americans still practise a lot of the old country festivals where as Australians have shed them. Australians are quick to critic the influx of so called Amercian traditions i.e. Halloween, and yet both countries hare a common ancestry and so by default share the same traditions. Was only gonna make a quick reply here. Reckon I got carried away a bit so I will step off my soap box and leave it there for now.

There was none of the usual indications that Texas Clearbody was involved in this bird. I have seen this before in Opalines but in the green series only and never combined with Cinnamon. Opalines can cause patchy colour in my early days I saw fair few that were patchy around the chest area and this corresponded with just a general lack of colour all over but not to this extent. What you will find has happened is that there was a transcription error of the Opaline locus and it could be a one off or something new. Maybe an allele of Opaline who knows.

These are the best pics. I have labelled them so you know what your looking at. Because Dusty died in this fashion does necessarily mean all FD's die the same way. Unless untopsied we never know. So anybody in Perth has one and it dies put in the fridge in a plastic bag. DO NOT PUT IN FREEZER. Get the bird to me ASAP and I will do the job if you are to squeemish. So now for the pix. Don't forget they are thumbnails. Click on them for larger versions.

Your quite welcome Kaz. Kaz I will email you the heart photos directly so you don't have to look in photobucket. I will label photos and post them to photobucket and provide link in this thread. I am quite busy today but I should have them up by end of tonight.

As Kaz already mentioned there was fluid around the heart. When I first opened Dusty up I was presented with a big yellow fluid looking mass (about the size of a quail egg) where the heart should be. I removed all the viscera except lungs, kidneys and genetalia. Liver was in great shape as was intestines and no worms or other parasites that I could see. Pretty much no fat deposits in the abdomen which I would not expect to see in FD's. The weight of Dusty was great a wopping 68 grams. I seperated the yellow mass from the rest of the viscera and when sunlight was shone through the heart could be seen off to one side. Upon opening this up a yellow jelly like substance came out with a yellow fluid. Prior to opening this up I did noticed a hard mass and the bottom. Looking at the heart it was pale and there appeared to be a mass towards the bottom. I managed to remove it from the heart and it was a greenish colour but had not infiltrated the heart wall but rather was stuck on the outside. I disected the heart and found no blood within, there was a fair bit of congealed blood at the entrance to the heart however. The heart was pale with the usual amount of fat around the top portion. The fluid filled sac was most likely the pericardium (a protective membrane around the heart) In response to the mass on the heart it may have begun to fill with fluid and the mass on the sac could well have been at one point attached to the wall of the heart and hence why it was found so far down on the sac wall. With this much area filled by fluid there would have been more pressure on the heart and when Dusty became more agitated his blood would need to pump more blood. Dusty's lungs too would have been affected as they would not be able to fill to capacity and blood oxygen levels would have been decreased contributing to the heart muscle failure. I did also look at the brain but quite honestly I have never seen a normal budgie brain so have nothing to compare with. I did think it looked quite large, pale and spongy. So next time one of my birds die I'll have to crack open it's scone and take a look inside. As for Dusty's sex well I am still not a 100% sure. As an immature bird the organs will be small. I found what I thinks looks like a testis but I could not find a matching pair or I was looking at the adrenal gland. I was also not sure if another organ there could have been the ovaries but seem to be a little to central. Maybe Dusty was both. I am going to do a little more digging and see if I can come up with an answer. I did take some photos but will not post here as they are a bit up close and personal. Also Kaz does not want to see Dusty this way but would rather remember him/her the way he/she was.

Both Fallows. The yellow one is Opaline which causes further reduction in body colour.

Hi All, Sorry to be a pedantic so-and-so, but crossing over and recombination are pretty much the same things. Recombination is the result of crossing over as opposed to the return to normality or the status quo. Your definition suggests that the chromosomes re-unite at the same locus (recombine) where the reality is that the chromosomes will cross over or "recombine" at a somewhat random point , albeit the further from the chromosomes centromere, the greater the chance of crossing over I believe. Rip you are on the money with your percentages and I would say that 1 in 12 hens from this mating being cinnamon opaline is a relatively common event when referrring to crossing over events. Hope this helps. Cheers PT You can get pedantic if you like, I do the same from time to time. I wasn't actually putting forward a defination as such rather trying to explain what happens which is really hard when you have try and do it all with words. You are correct the further away from the Centromere the likelyhood is increased of cross over. The words cross over and recombination, athough similar and in a broad sense mean the same thing, in fact are used quite differently. Crossing over generally refers to the first event whereby the genes leave their place of residence, recombination is the second event whereby they find there way back. Not in exactly the same place as wence it came but rather in the location to which it belong on another choromosome. If it is a sex chromosome involved it has to recombine with like chromosome and if it is say non sex linked it has to recombine with the chromosome eqivalent it came from i.e. if the gene left chromosome 12 then it must return to another chromosome 12. It cannot randomly pick another chromosome. There is a place for that particular sequence to reside. If genes randomly ended up anywhere on a chromosome scientists would not have been able to map the DNA of humans, drosophilia, horses, chickens just to name a few.

First things first. The Light Green cock you wish to pair as you know is already split for Cinnamon. Now assuming the father passed on the Opaline gene to him he would now be thus: Light Green/Opaline Cinnamon-II Assuming you are going to pair this cock bird to a normal Light Green hen the results are thus: COCKS 16.901% Light Green / Cinnamon 16.901% Light Green / Opaline 8.099% Light Green 8.099% Light Green / Opaline Cinnamon-I HENS 16.901% Light Green Cinnamon 16.901% Light Green Opaline 8.099% Light Green 8.099% Light Green Opaline Cinnamon Dean and GB your percentages do not take recombination into account.

So to add to this thread with some more info. Nubbly dropped in yesterday so we took advantage and got some comparision photos. In each photo the bird of the left is the double factor Goldenface Violet and the bird on the right is a single factor Goldeface Mauve. As you can see they are both in nest feather so you can see how different the single and double factor presents itself. Front on shot showing the depth of yellow in both. Side shoot clearly showing the different depths of yellow. Wing shot. You'll notice the df has little yellow in the feathers compared to the sf. notice also on the rump that the sf bird shows suffsuion already. Top side of secondary tail feathers. Again reduced yellow in the df bird. Underside shot of secondary tail feather clearly showing the differences in the depth of yellow.

It's all that exercise he is suddly getting. Blood not going to his brain anymore. GB I know what ya mean on reviewing posts when replying you can't go back and check on stuff it is a pain in the butt. Makes replying to post frustrating.

GB looks like you inputted the info correctly therefore your results are correct. For those who are not familiar with scientific terms - 1.0 denotes male and 0.1 denotes female. Ignore the term Pallid in this instance. Lacewing is also correctly referred to as cinnamon-ino the hyphen denotes linkage of the Cinnamon and Ino gene. In matings with Texas Clearbodies treat the Lacewing as an Ino it will give the same results.

Looks like a Cobalt Recessive Pied and it may well be Spangle. It is a cock bird.

From my experience in the hobby Jimmy it seems the clubs thinks the world revolves around them any how so they don't feel the need to advertise. Most people who runs the clubs have no idea how to gain new members or where and when to advertise. They just don't have the knowledge. Even my own local club is wanting for membership as attendance is down a great deal. Technology is moving so fast that some people just have difficulty keep up with it. A lot of clubs are run by folks who are not into technology and it's like pulling teeth when a suggestion is made about advertsing on the net. Social networking sites such as FB are ideal mediums for advertisment. They are free and the inter-connecting between individuals is amazing. I have over 200 people on my FB from all areas of life as I have many varied interests. My friends list range form Aussie to such places as Pakistan, Iraq, Japan, Phillipines, Europe, USA, South America to name a few. I have three pages connected with my page. One each for my dog Kosh, one for the race horse I am a syndicate share in (Canardly Miss) and the other I set up orignally as a page for my son's Mountain Bike club and then I went on to create a group for it but the page still remains. In the future I plan to set up a page for my budgies.