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For the cock (1.0) you need to click on the following radio buttons: Dark - blue chromosome section bl.goldenface - in the visual column blue - on the split column dark - button on the right in the visual column For the hen (0.1) click on the following radio buttons: Dark - blue chromosome section dark - button on the right in the visual column blue - button in visual column Structural section violet - button on the right in the visual column Sex-linked section opaline - there is only one button, select it Then calculate.

Need better pics you bum! So your volunteering to come over and give me hand are you. I need somebody to hold while I shoot or vice versa.

It is easy to make, here is is the recipe: Take 1 coat hanger and you will need to cut a 17cm section out of the bottom in the middle. The side need to be bent down a bit to allow room for birds to sit on top of cob. Put cob on first if it makes it easier for you to do. The hook needs to be closed up more so it stays on the perch. Please be careful when pushing the cobs onto the wire. Don't want anybody sticking the wire through their hands. Leave the cobs on when they are dry and they will play with them. Just replace the cob when ever you feel like it.

Cock: Goldenface(sf) Cobalt Hen: Goldenface(sf) Violet(sf) Chick 1: Cobalt normal Chick 2: GF(sf)Sky Chick 3: GF(sf) Mauve. Chick 4: Cobalt ot Violet Sky Chick 5: Cobalt or Violet Sky Chick 6: GF(df) Violet In the picture below you will see 4 of the chicks. The oldest is outside the box and one of the normal blues is hiding under the others. From front to rear chick 6, 3, 5(hiding), 2, 4 This photos shows quite well the difference between single and double factor Goldenfaces when feathering up. I need to get somebody around to help get pics of these birds so I can show you better comparison between the single and double factors. You will see the single factor birds are already a bright yellow in the face.

Yesterday I was out picking up a few things and the price of corn was such I decided to get a few cobs for the birds and one for me for lunch today whilst I watch Landline. Now that I decided to do this I had to go out make some cob hangers. Hunting around I finally found the coat hangers I knew I had. Took longer to find them than to make the cob hangers. Here are a couple of pics of them in action. These birds never having seen them before took fright when placed in the flights. There was this big no-go zone around the hanger for a few hours till some got game.

Paul the pics where part of the article but I just didn't have time to get them copied over. As the Article is on Ken's 'Budgerigar Bible'CD and he has disabled right click selection I have to copy the pics in a different way. Then I have to transfer them to this computer and then upload to PB. Will try and get time this weekend. I did some pics of the birds here but lost them all and so have to take them again. Time is not my friend right now with all this studying and assignments to do.

the normal looking chicks will also breed you all yf chicks when paired to a normal but im sure you knew that Thanks Dean and GB I thought the cock was a goldenface okay, so they are both mutant 1. In a different nest I have yellowface cock and normal sky hen, they have 1 yellowface chick and 3 normal. I thought yellow face was dominate over normal blue. Unless pics are posted we have no idea what type of yellowface they are. The white faced chicks could just be normal blues. Yellowface to a Normal Blue will give YF and Blue if the YF is single factored, which is the case of your pairings.

It looks like this is your birds first moult. If so it could have a very mild form of french moult. Mild enough that it only lost tail feathers. Sometimes what comes along with this problem is excessive beak growth. The beak usually also appears thinner than usual and sometimes flaky in appearance. If this is so you will need to keep triming the beak. The tail feather may grow back.

Not confirmed as Dusk's at this stage and it may take awhile as it is difficult to tell them apart from existing colours i.e. a Dusk Light Green looks like a Dark Green I have been told. The suspect birds labelled as Olive were paired to Light Greens. One pair bred and produced three chicks one died early. The other two feathered up and at this point another died not fed by the parent and looking closely at this bird the down was consistent with being a Feather Duster. This left one survivor an 'Olive' looking individual. Now an Olive x Light Green does not produce Olive young but rather 100% Dark Greens of which the suspect FD was definately one. There is Violet a couple of generations back which complicates things a bit. I have spoken at length with Ken Yorke as he has a fair bit of experience with them. I have also got onto Brian Turner the breeder of some the Clearwings Nubbly obtained. Trying to isolate the Dusk (if indeed it is there) will not be an easy feat due to the Violet factor being present. But where would the challenge be if it was easy. Brian and I also spoke of the Anthracite and if it was possible that it and Dusk are one and the same but unless both are bred in all basic colours the full story cannot be revealed. I am awaiting some info and pics from the UK. I will post the "My Funny Colours" article shortly. Here is the article. I have omitted the last paragraph with Paul's email address for privacy reasons. If anybody has any comments they can be directed to Paul via PM or post comment on this thread. My Funny Colours by Paul McCusker This article is on some birds that appeared in my aviary in the mid to late 1990's. They may be a new mutation or could be a variety that has not been seen in this country before. I'll let you come to your own conclusion. I first noticed there was something different when I bred a Light Green out of what I thought was an Olive Opaline in about 1997. I actually showed this bird as an Olive at the BSNSW Annual Show in 1998. The original *Olive (Funny Colour) was bred out of a Lutino Hen that was purchased from Barry Wise in 1995 and a 1995 Dark Green Opaline/Lutino that I had bred myself. The hen produced 22 chicks over a couple of different cocks. Only one of those was the Funny Colour. That original Opaline was lent to a mate who used him for a year and gave me a Lutino Hen and the *Olive cock back. I then had a bout of Coccidiosis go through the birds that nearly wiped me out. I purchased a Light Green Normal/Lutino and paired to the Lutino daughter and produced 2 *Olive cocks and 2 *Olive hens in amongst some Grey Greens and Lutinos. One of the Lutino's carried a brilliant yellow feather on it's rump and breast the colour I had not seen before. I believe this is carrying the *Olive colour with out the Grey Green base colour. I then paired a son of the Light Green Cock being a Dark Green Normal/Lutino to the Lutino daughter and produced 2 more *Olives, one of each sex. The next year I paired the Lutino daughter up to an Albino cock hoping to produce more Lutino' s and to my surprise I bred both Albino' s and Lutino's out of her. So now I knew she was split for blue so I thought I'll pair a Skyblue Cock up to her and see what I get. She hatched 6 chicks but with only 3 surviving my chances of getting a *Blue was low. I was lucky again as I got 1 *Blue Cinnamon hen and a *Olive hen and a Grey Opaline hen. This Blue Cinnamon Hen at first when feathering up looked like it may be a Violet but as it got older this only occurred on the rump, the breast of the bird looked like grey with blue splashes through it. Some people called it Mauve and some just didn 't know. The feathers on the breast of the *Blue hen were very strange with mostly grey and just the last 25% carrying the blue tips. I lost the old Lutino daughter last year due to cancer but not before producing another very good coloured Lutino cock. 2002 I paired 4 pair up with mixed results. Pair 1 was a half brother and sister both being *Olive's normal with the cock being split Lutino they over 2 rounds produced a Lutino hen and a Dark Green Normal/Lutino cock in the 1st round and only 1 hatched in the 2nd and it had splayed legs which I culled. With the hen only laying a very small clutch I'll probably pair the cock up to either another green hen or the *Blue Cinnamon hen I'll mention shortly. Pair 2 was an *Olive Normal cock that was a son of the previous pair from the previous year paired to a Cobalt Opaline/Recessive Pied hen. He only filled 3 eggs in 2 rounds but they all addled. So now he is resting. Pair 3 was a *Olive Normal hen to an unrelated Light Green Normal cock. She never laid so now she is in the aviary as well. Pair 4 was the *Blue Cinnamon Hen to an unrelated Sky Blue Normal/Recessive Pied Cock This was the jackpot pair as in the 1st round was 6 chicks, the 4 Skyblue Normals and 2 *Blue Normals. 1 of the *Blue's died at 3 1/2 weeks old. In the 2nd round she laid 10 eggs with 10 full and at the moment they are in about 5 or 6 different nests in my birdroom. There are about 10 chicks in varying stages of development but it looks like I may have a couple more in the nest. My mate who I lent the original *Olive to, Jim Stevenson, produced an *Olive Opaline hen as well which he kept and produced 4 *Olive Opaline /Lutino cocks which I' m not sure how they went. Another friend I gave a couple to was Brian Turner who is playing with them as well. The person who got me thinking they might be a mutation was Kelwyn Kakoschke when he visited our club in 1999. In my opinion they are a mutation but not a new colour but a colour modifier similar to the Violet. For all I know they might be a Slate or could be similar to a colour I read about in Budgerigar World called an Anthracite (I'm not sure of that spelling). ADMIN - It was not intended this article to be attached to my reply. Could it please be placed in its own little box. Then delete this flashy red request. Ta, thanks. [/b}

Yup, currently got two of them. If you look very carefully you can tell by the tail.

Hi and welcome Any information / pictures on the dusk would be more than welcome here I do have an article I wrote a few years ago Titled My funny colours I will have to scratch around and try and find it. And post it on here. I don't have a lot of pics and getting them on here might take me a while 1st to dig them up and second to get them on here. I only have 2 Dusks at the moment and have never kept many as they are just a little thing to play around for me. That is why I gave a few to Brian Turner and maybe even Ken Yorke. Not sure now to ensure they grew in numbers and by the sounds of it they have. will try to dig up the article it goes pretty well bakee to the 1st bird I produced and at the time diddn't realise it was a mutation. Hi Paul, welcome to the BBC forum and I hope you enjoy your stay. As a past (but starting again)rare mutation breeder I am most interested in this mutation. I have a copy of your article and if you have trouble finding yours I would be happy to post with your permission. I have spoken to Ken Yorke about his mutation and he makes reference to it as the second dark factor. Ken has detailed the down colour as being a dull white. Do you agree with this? Of the people who you are aware that have this mutation do any of them breed Clearwings and may have possibly used the Dusk in them? The reason I ask is that I have a Clearwing here that originates from NBC and appears visuallyOlive. His father is stated as Olive and mother Light Green, but this would produce Dark Green, not Olive. I have paired this Olive to a Light Green Cinnamon hen, produced two chicks. On feathering up one appears to be a regualr Dark Green and the other looks like dad, Olive in colour. Again, if he was Olive and paired to a Light Green it should produce 100% Dark Greens. Will try and get some pics on weekend.

why not its the dad was skyblue mum was grey green she could have been dd factor Sky Blue = no dark factor (0-df), green series is Light Green. Dark Grey Green = one dark factor (1-df), blue series is Cobalt. Olive Grey Green = two dark factors (2-df),blue series is Mauve. So 0-df X 1-df = 50% 0-df or 50% 1-df OR 0-df X 2-df = 100% 1-df The Grey Green is split for Blue and single factor Grey as it produced a Grey when paired to a Sky Blue. Check the Cheek patches.

As one parent was a Sky Blue you will not produce a Mauve. Besides it looks Grey. The first pics showed clearly it was a Pied.

Yes they are in Australia, I bred them along with DEC's. There are some that are also mixed with ADP's. There has always been a problem with Pieds and I reckon it will always be so. The Budgie's Place website has a lot of good stuff and as far as the mutations go a fair degree of accuracy but it does suffer from information gleaned from suspect sources. If one does not have a good working knowledge of genetics, variety identification and history of mutations one could easily believe was is written in the majority of cases. Even be the advent of the internet those who wrote books on the subject did not always pass on correct information but rather pass on what they had been told or read some where. Back to CC's (Dutch Pieds is best used in Australia) one item that either is overlooked or is just not known by most writers is that they have white down unlike the ADP and DRP which have grey down. This can be one of the distinguishing points in the nest, as long as there is no Opaline involved. I personally kept Opaline out of my DP lines. Terminology is a big issue and budgies do not suffer this problem alone. Mutation naming is a problem with all birds.

I see the budgie place website has reared its head again. Those photos of supposed 'clearflights' are in fact Continental Clearflights (CC) also known as Dutch Pieds (DP). CC's are a named used on the continent (Europe) back in the early days of breeding as this is were they originated. When paired to Danish Recessive Pieds (DRP) they produce the composite called a Dark Eyed Clear (DEC). The term "Clearflight" has crept into usage to define Australian Dominant Pieds (ADP) with markings confined to the flights. It has also been done with the ADP showing a tendancy to show a 'band' across the centre of the body. Both the ADP and CC have been bred together at times and created pied hybrids which are difficult to tell apart visual at times. Back to the budgie place...the birds in the photos shown as far as I can tell are two CC's and ADP, the two green birds being the CC's. The Mauve looks like a ADP but unless the down colour is sighted as a baby it cannot be determined with 100% accuracy based on that photo alone. Oh one thing to remember is the tendency of humans to pigeon hole things. Humans like to place things in nice neat little boxes with labels. When an object is lightly different is causing confusion as so is deamed different and so gains a new name to define it. Over time the origin can be lost and ever so slight deviation becomes a new object.

So you circled the supposed abnormality. I am beginning to wonder if you really want to know what the bird is or wether you just want to hear what you think it is. As for the blue tail, don't change anything just means the bird is blue not grey which was already quite evident on the first photos anyway. I will say this again. The bird is in baby feather and IT WILL NOT show the same characteristics as an adult bird. TCB's are very variable in their expression espesically as babies.

Genes can remain hidden for a long time. I popped out a Dilute here from a Normal Sky cock and a Cinnamon Grey Green hen. On the hens side the Dilute was injected 10 years ago. Don't know about the cock bird. A Clearwing breeder here popped out Fallow Clearwings. Tracked it back to Fallows being introduced 26 years previously. Time is irrelvent really. As for gauging the value of a chick using the show standard, word of advice....don't. It is a baby and as such is in nest feather which is, and will never be anything like the adult feather after the bird moults, as as such will not measure up to the standard. Even if the bird is not showable by your defination it may still be classed as a breeder.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that statement. The breeder doesn't have to. All he/she has to do is bring a bird in from some where else. The chick is looking like a TCB at this stage.

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Grevilla and Bottlebrush are fine, I have used both. The Crepe Myrtle (African Boxwood) I cannot say as I have never tried it.

Ken Yorke and I have had a few discussion on these guys. I too agree with the mode of inheritence. I kept a track of the ones I bred when last in the hobby. I had a family of Clearwings with a high percentage of FD genes in them and kept track of it over the years. I could put a couple of CW's together and pretty much predict and outcome of 1 in 4 chicks being a FD. Having bred quite a few I found lifespan to be quite variable (a few months to well past the year). Food is a big requirement and feeding themselves without parental input is the main issue why so many die young.

Four tail feathers is not indicative of a Feather Duster. That is another issues again. Multiple tails can be found on normal budgies. Other species of birds have multiple tails such as American and Indian Fantail pigeons.

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I thought I was seeing yellow too Dean. White down so is Opaline.