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yes thank you that is however if i can get them well they all got cold and i dont know what to treat with im ringing rob marshell at 15 to 11 hes in a confrance right not im just not happy with my path rezults and i dont see how my birds can die of draft related pnamonia when their is no draft so but i took your advice and i have change my program but chicks were sick from two weeks with snesing i think i may of spread it and from now on im going to just use some that pump on germ killer between nests as for cordiel its done nothing to help adults are slowly stopping snesing but chicks one the dom is really got cold hes got wet snot eveytime he snezes not snot just clear liquard but no they dont have parra what ever it bloo dy is any help welcome i havent used any meds just regulated house to 28 degree

hello welcome i know im tad late but better late than not at all do you know what mutations you have or were you asking members help with them also your going to be able to breed a very large amount of variertys their with the mutations you have and the colours best of luck for a really lovley out come in your second year breeding try pairing your albino hen with your yf cobalt male depending on what shes masking depends on colour out come but what you really wanting is the chicks from this pairing all males will be split to albino so if you get a yf cobalt or skyblue cock bird then it will be split to albino what you want to do is keep the males from this pairing to use in youe next years pairing once birds old enough also pair your yf colbolt rec pied hen to the last bird the texin clearbody this will give you hens and cocks split to rec pied and all cocks split to clearbody get rid of all these cock birds and keep hens you will get also if lucky clearbody hen or hens if your lucky and posably yf ones both pairings will give you 50 percent chance of yf chicks if you then pair your yf cobalt to the rec pied hen and the clear body to the albino (swap partners ) you will get rec pied /ino cocks and hens/ rec pied this symbol / stands for split :rofl: and in the othr pairing you will get clearbody hens and albino cocks / for clearbody i could have it backwards it may be albino hens and clearbody ./ ino cocks not sure i have gone blank but how ever put thoughs split rec pied / ino cocks to the split rec pied hens from first pairing you will get lovley rec pied chicks normals and inos of lovley colours depending if you pair yf and norm or two norms depends on if you will get yf but chicks will be beautiful and suprize colours and mutations every time you can just keep adding mutations by knowing whats recesive and whats sex linked have lots of fun hun its a great hobby

so babys comming out nests group shot almost (ones to the right all alone :{) grey norm/opaline/cin cock i like this bird hes not huge but hes feathers soft and silky and he sits lovely he has the diamond shap im aiming to breed into my birds you cant see it well in these pics but from sholders to tail its like a kite shape if you continue to follow down both sides to tip of tail and up both sides to head violet norm/opaline/cin grey dom pied brother to violet their for split the same things and a yf one cobalt blue cock / albino / cin grrrrrrr lol the colour was tanted by my lounge lighting in some these pics light green norm/cin/opaline opaline dark green hen thats it for now i will take snaps if i get chance tomorrow of rest

Not blue suffusion....it is PINK suffusion. :rofl:pink oh yes SHHHHHHHHHHHH lealotta you wernt ment to tell anyone my new secret pink mutation budgie :hurryup: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: you give up :hap: :ohmygod: you knowq whoi it is ???? how :doh: :laughter:

well their not small for albinos their not show stoppers though id be keeping them all if i wasnt trying to help this person only the bottom pics are the birds for sale the hen thats blury is the bird next to my albino cocks son the one above is the bird pictured with her father in the first pics the only diffrents is one is cinnamon albino the other is not the cinnamon has bad sufushion as in blue not cin you can see slight cin on face spots but really nice feather the other one has more yellow feather but smaller bird but better quality all over their both from diffrent dads but the fathers are full brothers here some clearer shots of the cin albino one the bottom blury picture theirnot huge but their only just three months

my albino cock bird and one of his daughters com out mid feb this year the second chick hatched this is the first hen born full veiw she was the best in clutch third born is at back left second born next to her and first born in frount dad his son on left and a hen from the dads full brother thats my albinos for now im selling either this one the second chick hatched or this one the daughter of the dads full brother which would you buy if any and why please put your to bobs in as i know this buyer needs help to decide and i know which one i would keep but i dont want to sway own opinion but i know they really dont know as a very new beginner to show birds im letting one go specially and it was to hard a call for myself i dont even know which would be the one i should keep :laughter:

wellto tell you the truth sex i have no clue any more colour hes sky blue df violet he is visually violet to look at but he is not a sf cobalt violet and he has the aqua tail and wings so must be df sky violet given both mum and dad are both no dark

lol i dont think so houman mabe to you im the bird whisperer... lol so here are a few chicks just out nests early to mind you so the dom pied boy bellow he was breed from a dom pied cock the smallest bird from someones clutch of pieds but has outstanding bloodlines i paired him to a bird that was also the smallest hen out of someone elses clutch of birds blood lines medium but not bad her look was right for the cock so i thought id try them this is his brother mum and dad the dom pied and the cinn grey both birds first chicks some im pleased with results both chicks raised by our own master tommys mum and dad i think you can say a good out come im happy with it chicks were born on the 30th march both same day

he can fly but doesnt need to hes happy on his rope swing which i think is what was wanted i left him unatended while i did the other birds and when i came back he was on my pillow :laughter: sleeping

im cooking lazzanya ( have you noticed i spell it wrong every time and each time its diffrent :laughter: ) for you to take home yum yum persian i cant wait :yuck: see in the end it worked out as a exchange lol bird for yummy yummy food okay more pics taken today and last night first the bed hog pics tommy on his /her rope swing i got him hes possessive of his cage here he told me to p i s s o f f my rope swing mine grrr i mean it im not trying to look cute ill bite you one more step im not letting go mine mine i warnned you ..take that GRRRRRRRRRRRR see not being cute told ya id bite cage

good news kaz glad hes carmed down mabe breeding cabnit brought back bad childhood memories ,...lol

i had a chick that couldnt swollow once something blocked its gullet i dont know what i couldnt even feed myself so.... im sorry i cant help ive never had it again

that colt is fantastic beautiful well done you should do great with him your fillys standing perfectly you should be proud please let us know how you go

rips a tad tied up lol not lituraly ether she will awnser you hun when she can im also waiting on a reply from rip regarding something shes a wantd woman she will help you their is a leaf right in my veiw so i wont say till i get a full look for sure but i say hes not opaline but i will not go as far as to say what yf as he has cliped wings and that clouds my judgment on that aspect move the leaf and ill see what i think about the Opaline for you i think type one yf not a golden face i know that much theirs no t enough yellow on wings to be two and that leaves me with saying one i dont think opaline posably split but you wouldnt know untill you breed him and as for what type of pied defenently a contenentalclear flight (dutch dom)from where im sitting

yes i agree the first one will be very nice please picture latter when out nest the grey green is a longer bird and will also grow into itself i actually like her look better just a difrents in feather mabe well done id be very pleased with them

:laughter: they are too :yuck: i do wuv you macka are you married :rofl: you always make me laugh you and smile thank you nubbly thanks for explaining what i rambled in a few lines that was what i was trying to get at im going to take pics my last nest out comes and their mums and dad so i can show what i mean i did this thread to show you can breed yourself some nice big chicks from as nub says lesser good quality stud birds in hope to inspire others that you dont need to cut off your right arm and leg to breed quality yourself some off the best breeders have started with birds pet size and worked their way up its the same as trying to add size to a clear wing or crested with out needing to worry about keeping the related trateds to though birds its about choise of quality to me over size so long as the birds from well astablished stock size matters latter

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: NOT FUNNY :hap: was a nice lemmon grass and bazil stir fry to i was soooooooooooooooo injoying :yuck: stupid bird the things ive indured :laughter: kicked out of my own bed told off when i place him to his own bed treats to bite if i dont pay atention yes he mumbles and chatters to get my atention then when i go to give cheek rub he errr errs at me then after a pretend threat to bite me turns his head for his rub lol little poo head i will get more pics i took some last night off him on my bed flycow so will post its been so cold last few days i just been lazy this will make me modivate i have to sometime soon kaz i was thinking that i already thought of that and am going to try find a peace of blanket with same valour flees for him from op shop i tryed getting a customed to a nice fluffy warm sock but wont have it lol houman bring scissors near my bed and i keep the bird lol ps we will make a hammic on saturday

lol homeing budgie you recon kaz i spoil all the babys i tame its what makes them so spesh i treat like a dog rather than a bird sit stay come works and they lounge rather than pertch he may need a hamic and a valua rug lol

well last night i let houman veiw his new baby via vidio cam on msn he got to see her / him and how he was going and finally baby tryed to fly straight up like a helicopter as most do and strainght down luckliy im good judgment and he landed on my hand most ocashions he saw whay a bed hog she is and has an understanding of how much atention it craves he comes saturday to collect tommy and im going to miss the little guy i will be snapping away taking pics and will place them on her with her new owner finally i will have my bed back

He's quiet. I havent seen any feather shredding today. I put him in a cage with two other budgies to see how he gets on. He just went straight to the food dish thats a good sighn isnt it

okay i though i would start a topic on size requirements of a bird and its (their) ability to produce chicks worth while alot of people are under belief that a big bird will produce bigg chicks this is not how ever so if the bird was breed from a smaller butwell breed lesser brother cock bird and a reasonably sized quality in all over look smaller than the sort after average to large hen then the out come may be very variegated example these two believe it or not are sisters the father was a grey green normal/lacewing cock very average to look at nothing much spesh about him and the mother was a more than lacking hen in which i saw a certain something other still can not see first bird people point at and say why ??? then i show them the chicks from three diffrent pairings with same hen one pairing a half pet show type opaline grey cock rezult 4 chicks two nice opaline hens two average cocks one hen i kept for my show line the other i have in my cull cage still as i always have seen something in her but wont putintoshow as shes not good enough culled cocks second pairing the above cock mentioned grey green/lacewing 3 chicks a huge grey green spangle hen a lute hen (cross over chick )nice long but small lot of potential for growing and a grey opaline spangle good size probbly never come of much kept the grey green culled both other hens third pairing a large cock bird from a average clutch of smaller chicks but very nice big bird chick out come well lets just say not one chick was worth even looking at the chicks must have gotten a double dose of the small gene and i sold soon as they were eating to pet shop didnt even bother with pics of growing as i knew from one week they were not stayingin my flock so three diffrent pairing three difrent rezults now the first bird was a bird from two good sized but nothing special show culls from pet shop he was not as big as mum or dad but he had all the qualitys needed for the show bench but size or feather the second cock was breed by our nubbly 5 hes a good bird with all the right stuff again smaller and wouldnt make a show bird for lac of size i have his half brother who is also a smaller bird but beautiful look perfect look and i had their mothers grandson also very small but breed from very good bloodlines (i sold him to lealotta ) all these birds had everything but were lesser brothers and sisters to nubblys other breed very good sized keepers i payed a modest amount for the three birds and was very pleased she took time to help me with transport and talking me through their backgrounds and blood lines as well as provide papers reaching back as far as she had recorded of the last cock was very big bird with not all the qualitys but the size youd expect would give nothing but big chicks only the two lesser cocks to the lesser hen provided a good return size wize and i ask you why ??? and i tell you as because the big bird was breed from big birds with not much in their back ground but big peronts he may of recived a gene for small from one of his peronts passed on rececivly yet got the big genetic making him large its the same with birds with small frountl rize can hold the big rise genetic and it can be brought out by breeding to a large over rised bird of oposed sex the small genes double up producing all small chicks in the cases above the birds were all breed from good background and birds their for when the genetics aregiven out one from dad one from mum only rarly will a bird get stuck with double small genetics and quiet often you will produce a stormer the diffrence between that and a normal big huge breed chick from not much back ground it its also got all the right features im not sure if any of this is makeing sence and if anyone wants to put it in a way others can and will understand please feel free too what im saying is i have alot of smaller but very well breed birds and i am getting very nice rezults in my nest and their regulated three good to one small so ut of 7 chicks 6 will be good one well cull straight from nest im just trying to give a insight how you can work your way up with out spending your life savings on your hobby / pashion for some and at same time get good rezults that you can be proud of and able to use to benefit your flock yes i will need to buy a few good birds soon but only as i want to substain my achivement not l have a count of 3 out of four good but hopefully incress this number but useing my own very nice breed hens not sure this will make sence and not sure it will even help any one but just thought id mabe start a descution on size and gentics and how much a roll they play with each other please how do you understand it to work the above is how i belive it plays out it is not nececerily true but from my breeding rezults its true to me ill hunt down my pics of mums dads and chicks show some examples may take a bit but ill get onto it and ill take pics off chicks just out and thir mums and dads you can see what you think about my theory

Thank you. I will take some more photos on the weekend....they are getting bigger. That is very interesting. Maybe we could start another topic in the mutation section....it would be great to hear what the other albino breeders think. i think so benice to belet into the loop lol

he is lute cock bird id say he has got some kind of respertary problem or illness the green could of been due to the bird being marked for clear identification in the flock mabe he mared or she marked all culls and then kept them in flock till he could sell or petshop did to tell males from females not sure just a few guesses the brown mark above his cere is a defenent sighn of a cold or infection of respertory setting in or when this dark usually already set it he could also of been marked as been treated how old is your bird as i just noticed no iris rings its spangle so mabe its df spangle not lute in which case elly could be right in it being a young hen it does look lute though and like a cock to me but need to ask these things photos are hard to go by did you know what mutation he is did you get from a breeder or shop could be badley marked lacewing but its got cin spangleing so its spangled what ever it is and i say not well with what who knows a common cold most like

yep, he is split albino. got 3 albinos or lutinos in this nest. the 3 youngest ones haven't got feathers yet as they are much younger. the hen stopped laying after 5 eggs and layed some more eggs the next week....that's the reason for the age difference. the cinnamons are a nice surprise for me. I hope for you that he got the cinnamon from his dad and not his albino mum. :rofl: didn't want to upset your breeding plan. can you please explain why it is no good to have cinnamon in albinos? does it result in albinos with cinnamon markings? well some people dont really care and like to use cinnamon for feather then washing it out with double dark grey cock birds myself i do care i wanted to breed albinos with out cinnamon as yes it does give a slight suffusion in wings and sometimes spots which is a no no for judging at show big no no also shows up the blue sufussion also if bird is blue not grey i have been told conflicting storys on the cinnamon hen thing one i was told that hens ALBINO can not mask cinnamon so you will know if you breed a cinnamon albino hen and yet another person told me that that was cods wollop that albinos mask everything even cinnamon and its to do with the melemiam lightning albinonisum thinggy in their make up :hap: if you understand that myself personally i would rather not use cinnamon and id rather use deep black marked cock birds in grey also should try not to use grey blue birds as you can end up with blue chicks one may just be the only albino you breed that season from your split cock lets say and as i have found you need to make sure that if your going to be buying / albinos from a stud or auction you really want to try find out if their split to cinnamon or not as although you can wean it out its normally your best hens who turn out to be the cinnamon albinos grrrr my foundation for my albino line is in my view all the wrong elements hes grey blue hes split cinnamon split opaline and possably split to dilute as well as split albino his full albino brother as i havent had a issue with the chicks hes producing infact they are very good im not sure if hes split cinnamon but do know he would be split opaline for sure possably dilute also my probblem is that my grey although hes a great birds has given me nothing but cinnamon hens including my albinos all very nice and the albino is my second best albino chick but is cinnamon so yes i could use her yes i could breed other birds with her just cull the cocks but id rather not as with my memorrie id forget doesnt matter how many recorlds i kept id still end up being tempted to keep good cock knowing their split albino infact im sure the mother is also cinnamon albino i havent had any cocks from them ever only ever hens so but only breed them twice rezulting in three chicks cinn albino hen cin opaline sky blue and a grey all which i have two cull unfortunately as all beautiful birds but i really want to try wean the cinnamon out im going to pair my split albino grey to a dark winged spangle hen i have shes a cf1 bird see if i get better results if not i may need to use him for my cinnamon line in which i have not started as yet as been concentrating on my albinos and just breeding some big normal hens not in cinnamon a few have been Opaline though but thats fine so in the long run its you decishion but myself i say no to cinnamon albinos keep the cinnamon for your lacewings i say which at moment in time im also got on hold as for me to achive any decent lacewing chicks ineed deacent lacewing hens which i have not got so im useing my lacewing / cocks as normals for now intill a time i can get hold of a few nice lacewings as in size and i will be culling any lacewing cocks and hens till then unless their massive like fred was (just hopefully not deformed this time ) did i even awnser your question i dont know i think i just rambled lol sorry its late i should sleep mabe others would like to imput into SHOULD YOU USE CINNAMON IN ALBINO BREEDING AND >>> IF NO WHY FOR AND AGAINST be interesting to see what others say specially the albino breeders out their pt what do you say ??? mr hawk ???? lol anyone else rainman you breed albinos dont you ???? any one else

oh the yf cobalt one :rofl: im in love