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liv considering i myself know really nothing on the should i shouldnt i keep the fm birds im probably no help but considering its such a touchy subject and most well established breeders wont even admit they have it and if they do they just keep breeding regardless no major clean ups or trying to minimize the situation due to the need to bench that good winning bird i doubt we are going to get more than we have been given in this thread i was told by my vet any that dont feather at the right phase and continue to struggle when due out the nest are better off anesthetized ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ what im not understanding here is if its a viris and can not or is not transmitted from fm chicks onto their young yet is transmited from feeding peronts ,.....why is this the case ???? and if the chicks were fostered and then refostered at few days to a week will the new foster mum have contracted the viris and be likely to pass it on to all her fearthering clutches along with the cock bird from this nests ????? if its a viris that goes away then why do birds get reafected after a long rest and a very good cleaning of inviroment ?? or is it only when new birds enter your stock that this may possably accure ??? renee thank you for your awnsers on what you do i have done what you said about putting the birds on the growned it was the most sensable thing i could think to do so im glad it was not for nothing also i have been vaccuming and throughing away the feathers drop also so its nice to know this is what you do as it makes me feel like at least i chose to do a sensable thing as for chicks im still unsure to keep or not but will wait for others input into this subject if at all i get any as its something im really not wanting to premoate in my breeding stock and if theirs a remoate chance of it continuine through breeding these birds then my decicion will be quiet easy how ever if the reality is that these birds will premote a healthyer inviroment through this viris going through out my stock leading to a strong amunity that which in turn stops the actual efects of the viris surficing ....then mabe i need to really consider keeping and breeding with these young birds ? im very lost on this one i just want to do what right for my birds im not worryed about any period of time i may have to stop breeding for and im not worryed that it may take longer to have my first show bird to show i just want my flocks best interest dealt with so... anybody care to partake in this descution then please feel free to do so <...thankyou in advance :hurryup:

Anyways I already know that you chuck it if you are feeling sensitive and the world is against you. lol dont chuck it just say it how it is many people take being openly honest about emotions as tantrums just happens these usually are the people who do chuck it as you say :hurryup: as for the thought of the world being against me well i say bring it on cause if this was true i would not be here today the world clearly wants me here in my opinion so can we just get back to birds renee and stop anilizing me as you know you wont achieve anything with you small comments and remarks regards my personality and strength im not one to be easily annoyed however you do have a place in trying please stop

okay this is the second year that I have had an outbreak and I identified the source of this year's outbreak and disposed of her. Maybe more experienced breeders can say for sure but in my limited experience a chick that recovers from FM does not pass it onto their own chicks. Is this what you are asking? Maybe more experienced breeders can say for sure but in my limited experience a chick that recovers from FM does not pass it onto their own chicks. Is this what you are asking? yes this is what im wanting to know im wanting to know that if i keep these young birds the un affected ones a) will they be carriers and produce fm chicks and the affected chicks should they be culled to stop french molt spreading from aviary to aviary or do the not breed fm chicks either is it a permanent thing or only a viris that last 3 months ??or know one really knows for sure

well you have a very weird way of saying it maby you should of stuck to breeding show budgies can be very challenging and is not for the faint hearted. as no offence could of or would of been taken said like that yes everything you said was true but it looked and felt very directed toward me the way you worded it mabe ? well no qualms here okay i know you only mean well i guess im a tad touchy after all i did everything to a t quarantine included and i do medicate quarantines just not doxy i use other things i have a very stricked practice all birds get vet tested poo smear, gulet test before entery to the flock at 16.50 a bird its worth it to the rest of my flocks health for not much

Look I agree with you on NOT breeding with "runners" that is why I was happy to give RIP those affected budgies - she doesn't have a problem with it, so each to their own. Obviously I got French Moult last year from an infected adult bird that I brought in, this happens I'm afraid 'cause there is NO way of knowing whether an adult is a carrier- no obvious signs you can pick up on during quarantine, no test and no medication, and you only realize when you get a nest of affected chicks. I send the affected parent to God. Harsh though that may seem but I have no time for a carrier of such a pervasive and untreatable virus. The chicks I isolate and give doxy to. I know you don't agree with this but although doxy does target pararsitic infections it also boosts the budgies immune system and I can't see anything wrong with that. I also remove and dropped feathers from their holding cage every day. Above all I make sure I continuously wipe all surfaces in the breeding room with a wet cloth to minimize the reansfer of feather dust - an identified means of transmission of the FM virus. I also hoover very regularly. I do breed with those chicks that make a full recovery, they are after all immune to the FM virus now. thank you for this renee this is what im after so may i ask do the fully unaffected birds breed fm or not and if so is it only the odd chick or every clutch ?? im with you source the problem and dispose of it in the rightful manner as harsh as it mayseem i would also do this with the chicks effected only they can be re homed as pets only if not its exactly what i will be doing

Perhaps breeding show budgies is not for you, there's no shame in that. To become a successful show breeder you require patience, long-term vision, attention to detail, a thirst for knowledge and the where-with-all to invest on the birds, their health, their food and optimal environmental conditions. If you cannot or will not meet the required criteria then you need to accept that you will continuously have issues of one kind or another. renee i think you know me not at all i are all the things you suggest im not and above all im very willing to spend any amount on just one bird to do what it takes to get it back to health (as you should clearly know ) i know more than you may think and more than it seems im defendantly in for the long run putting in all my knowledge and effort into getting my foundations of my aviary and my stock set up correctly before entering this challange as you put it i have not gone out of my way to buy supper birds as you suggest but i sure have gone out of my way to buy good stock from breeders i know to be repritable and who have provided me with well breed healthy stock for very reasonable prices for what they are just because you may not not go out of your way to make sure birds you may sell are in their optimal health and best condition does not mean others do not you know not of my quarintee practice and i think what you wrote was out of line if i was not strong or patiant as you sugested then in reading your post toward me well i would of just thrown my hands in the air and to *** with it this is not the case and i think as one of the more listened to members on this sight you need to watch what you write as you can easyly deture others with your strong words and abrupt nature if i was not to know you as i do then i would feel very deflated by what you wrote lucky for me i know your just very speak before you think, straight to the point person not knowing the harm you could do in your words to others you were not very incoraging now were you if you have no real advice for me then dont give it :hurryup: not happy jan ps i found that i decided to breed show birds because i love birds and i love to get the show birds back to their true beautie and in full optimal health and vitility not just for a ribbon for the achievement of producing a fine healthy product we are all breeding for different reasons this you did get right

yes but in doing this im basicly just going to be breeding magority fm birds something i strongly disagree with amenity or not if they could breed fm im not interested in breeding them as i aim to breed healthy show stock not fm affected stock thats not going to help me become a repritable breeder is it now ??? and i want to aventuallybreed good healthy stock others will want to possably one day by and breed with them selfs (i know that this will be many years yet but i want to build quality birds starting now ) so i need to aradicate the probblem now just not exacltly sure if you can >>> and if so how <do i need to sell all stock and start again or what do you do ??

hi can i just say that sulfa d wont affect him if their is nothing wrong and if their is then it will only help just make sure he gets a course of probiotics after a full corse of sulfa d i know its confusing when vets say one think and others say another myself i always go with my gut if you even feel a tad that the vet doesnt really have a clue and believe me unless she avian she probably doesnt then i would give the sulfa d hope the little blights doing better keep up the warmth and please keep up the fluids most importantly

okay up date my violet hen dom has fm not badly but still :rofl: so she will be given free to good home for pet my medium grey dom same as above :rofl: my dark grey (baldy )poor bugger coped a good dose he has weird re feather growth and still feathering up so. vet said he should go to god but i have let god decide on that one and so far hes alive and kicking goals im sure some one will love him :rofl: my opaline blue grey dom hen ------ not physically efected :rofl: my albino ------------- not physically efected :rofl: and the little weird blueish coloured one doesnt seem to be afected either but is still growing so,....could lose flights at later date as the others did :rofl: so. i wil get some pics just i have been busy fixing probblem and making sure chicks all getting fed well i moved the healthyer ones in with dad and the others are left with mum so all getting feed more and more regulaury this seems to be helping with the feather re groth they all looking good but im still not keeping any of the afectd chicks as much as i want to keep the violet im just going to pretend it died in nest im still not sure if i should keep the uninfected ones yet ????? as im not sure i want to risk they carry the viris what would others do ??????? i may keep and not breed yet just see how they turn out

well the chicks are around the week two mark i know i haven't taken pics but im a bit afraid if i do i will jinks myself last time i was so proud and happy exited and over joyed with my breeding out come just to end up miserably dumbfounded that half the chicks are fm affected so this time im a bit unsure weather to post pics i will but in time an none picture update though ....looks like all chicks are hens three opaline grey light factor and one with a yellow face ,, so far feathering fine but this means nothing ,fingers are crossed that as i moved all birds out of breeding room and all fm affected birds from near any other birds that these will be okay i dont handle any chicks with out that rub on germ killer that drys its self and if cleaning nests i use throw away gloves between boxes i have 5 clutches of chicks between two weeks and hatching so libby your hopeing must of been as strong as my want as i got one beautiful very pale grey yf spangle :rofl: thank you for your vibe and now everyone please send out the be healthy vibe please i could really use it about now thanks :rofl: will keep u in the know

can i ask do you always travel charlie to work and home if you do then okay as he would be use to this but if not then the stress of driving him to and from work the new environment and all may of had an effect just a though it does sound like he goes to work a lot though as you say everyone loves him so im thinking this is a normal thing for him and he is use to it daily if not then that could of stressed him just enough to put him out

this is my first time breeding show birds and i must say so far i was ecstatic to sucks really fast but im doing a major re do off everything and culling lots so next year after a break hope all will go fine im not in mood to go into all my trobblesbut will latter at moment to busy fixing issues why not been on for few days all should be fine but for now im very down heartened :WobbleSign: ive never had sickness or problems ever so ..... this hurts i prided myself on the health of my birds mind you these were all self breed from one main source bring ing birds in was the main probblem although healthy they all have different bugs and immunity and a bird room was my biggest mistake ever money wasted big time so im going back to what i know and have always practiced as this year i listened to the people and it all went handicapped from start back to my system from now on

you are doing so good with thoughs babys look at them their happy and healthy great job and welcome

Don't despair. Isolate the affected chicks and IF YOU CAN give them a course of doxy. i am not disheartening to point of , why me ,however i am sad my first show breed birds come out affected with this i am not going to doxy as you doxy for psittacosis my birds have nothing wrong with them i got a vet out to my birds renee and did smears and crop their all got the okay that was only last month my vet told me dont doxy unless nececery i know every one on here loves doxy but im not of the same opinion yes i have had a bad start to showing but no my birds do not need doxy yes i have isolated chicks as was advised by vet to do so and have started cleaning the cabinets one by one and will pack up for while i think

its very sad when this happens please all my best to bill and his family

yes lovley and dont quote me on this but i think your chicks you dont know what color will be grey light grey spangles i would guess one one left looks Opaline im not sure on other one

thank you so much nubbly for your pictures of the feathers im sure its got to be french molt ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mannnnnnnnnnn i thought i did everything right i did how ever spend the whole day today cleaning my aviary down and i vacuumed it all out hosed it then swept it i also moved it as it was in wrong place my dad and i spent all day he made wheels for it then we bolted them on and moved it then removed them again i took out every branch, perch and the flooring on Tuesday im getting paves for inside it and new branches and perches as for the baby's with it well im unsure what to do with them they not to bad and three look okay now i didnt get time for pics but i defenently will put some up showing my poor bubs vet told me to move them out of the way of my other birds so i have i wont breeding for a while as im a bit unsure of how this happened and i will be looking over my stock very close to see if i can see sighns in any of my older birds possably having it thanks all for your help

hope hes okay i know how dear that little fella is to you

looks like i may just be having my first batch of fm then 4 out of the five doms chicks have lost flights thing is they have a lot of tail feathers like lives feather dusters and im a bit confussed about whats going on well i wont be breeding with the mother of the babys again anyhow this year and im sure the chicks got viris off the feeded mother before being put baby with their foster mum so and mum just hatch chicks so i will see if they become afected or not as their is no need to foster as she is a good mum as for the feeder mum she is defenently holding something as that was dear showpains mum and he was defenently diffrent although never lost flights his feather mass was enormuse for pet also with the extra tail feathers so.....she pet type so will give away as caged pet my albino does not seem afected nor does the opaline dom hen but im not sure if i should keep them for breeding due to this but if the stay fine i may keep just cause they my first real show breed birds nice way to enter into showing all birds are going to be seperated for a while all cages cleaned and all chicks free to good home as i can not kill them specially my violet dom so if anyone is interested in pet budgie pm me and we can talk if anyone has advice for me please freely pm me with it as i really bit lost vet didnt say much said im doing all i can said its only mild so they will recover i have no moths no lice no nothing vet cheacked my flock only other week and their rezults come back 100 percent perfict health so he cant explain all i can think of is i had to move birds due to noisey nextdoor person working in shed late at night frightning birds and i think that the bird room droped tem to quickly at night and condensated i will never know .....

thats fantastic im so glad to hear it was all well i knew they could do it both kaz and morgana

yes and mine died sorry i cant be of anymore help it was quiet quick and no real warrning just fitz

this is all to much for my little brain lets say this lets say i have 5 clutches and one is affected with chicks losing flights and the odd tail feather the chicks developed well looked all good but then bang one morning they had no flights but still some flights were present all but two chicks are in this condition everything was fine but now its all gone pair shaped the clutches affected were ones that the chicks were placed in and from each others nests but no other nest so far have been affected to date how can you tell one if its dehydration causing it or .....the molt virus ????? seems my chicks have started to show these sighs :laughter: my dom pieds :laughter: i was so very proud of my self now i dont know what to do i did move all the cabinets with my birds out of the breeding shed last week as i couldn't breath in their it had air flow and natural light everything i cleaned room all time but ive have been having breathing probs for while now so i decided to move them back to where they were last year so i dont know was it me moving them that caused stress molt or have i got a batch of fm on my hands please someone explain for me in note point what i do to aradicate the problem and how do i know what i have lucky im at end of my breeding with last chicks hatching next week please im not good with understanding things well so point form starting at top to end on how to fix and stop this would be appreciated i will take pics today or tomorrow im charging cam so... i feel it must be fm as i never seen it before and did feel something was slowing development of chicks growth down me please

all will be fine i can feel it and if not well he got two beautiful hearses to go out in that's a special treat in its self im sure if he was a man of honer which it sure sounds like then he will be returned with respect and dignity and grace by the people he loved the most my love is with you on this day :laughter: leeia

can i ask a question while this subjects brought up what contributes to the virus being caught and in breeding a french molt bird are you infact infecting the cock or hen being bred with and all the chicks born even if signs do not show and how do you stop it running through your flock if you do happen to be infact unlucky enough to get this condition in your nests how do you deal with it their are so many discussions about it but not how to tackle the problem