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I am the same here Renee, my shed will be very warm by summer, so I want to be finished breed by Nov. Anyway I don't like to breed in the summer anyway, that' when you get more French moult. and more problems. Plus I can't wait to get them out of there so I can finish the room off.

I had that with a lovely pied GB, hen sat tight, and Geoff has one too, hen sat tight too. I had to put my down because it he couldn't move any where at all. he was so lovely too. BUT he was in pain. couldn't even walk.

I am really happy with mine BUT bigger would of being much better, but money was the problem and Greg wouldn't let me go bigger but now I am trying to suck him into letting me extend lol, at least a mouse proof aviary next to it take a wall off and make it bigger, Steel Chief also sells add ons if you want your shed bigger later, but I think between Greg , Geoff and myself we could do it ourselves, one day. My floor is cement GB, maybe you could clean it all out and put cement on top of the pavers. When I finish breeding I am putting down masonite floor stuff and then putting lino down, I have bought my lino already. I vacuum everyday and wipe over the cement surface with the mop but it will be much easier to mop over the lino. Budgiesmuggle , with garden sheds the bigger the better and the more height you can get the better too. Because they are small they heat up fast. I have my wire door I made open everyday day until night, in the winter I put clear PVC plastic over the wire and just used the window for air but now that it has warmed up I have take one piece off , the top piece , so the air comes in their plus the window open all the, soon when it warms up more I will take it all off. So far I am mouse proof, the other I forgot to close the tin door at night. The she when the tin door is closed is quite dull so I have a timer that the fluo light comes on at daylight and turns off at 8 am and then come on at 5.30 pm and goes off at 6.30pm when they settle down for the night, I have another time with a night light that glows the room up enough for them to find the nest if needed. It is one of those ones that come on (senor) when the room is dull) but I have it on a timer because Greg was wondering why the birds were chirping away at night and why there was a light going in there, so I put the timer on so it turns on when the flou turns off but the it turns off at 7pm and and starts again at 8pm after Greg goes to bed. LOL and then it turns off at 5 am and turns on again at 5.45 after Greg goes to work . lol cunning aren't I. GB and Kaz how would you do a false roof. For kindy cage while birds are young, straight from nest, most people just keep then in the wire cages or a cage like a double breeding cage. I have one cage that is about 90cm long about 35cm deep and about 45cm high and that is what some of my babies are in now and the have a show cage on one end. The other cage is about 70 ch long x 45cm deep and about 50 high. Last year I joined to wire cages together for the babies, I took out one wall on each cage and made them into like long caged worked out well too.

Depending what type of breeding boxes you are going to use. In my shed on one side I have 3 cages x 3 high which is 9 wire cages with 2 wire cages on top for parents to rest, so that is 4 high. I have a cupboard and space for the vacuum on the same wall, so if I didn't have the cupboard or vacuum space I would have 4 cages wide x 3 high for the breeding. But on my other wall I have wooden cages (melamine) and I have 2 lots of double cages x 3 high so that's 12 cages but when I make the ones it be 4 high. But only uses the higher ones on both walls in the cooler months. On the same wall I have 2 very large cages for babies and one baby cage on top so they have some flight space. Are handy with your hands as in building because honestly when I bought my shed and by the time I lined I think it would of being cheaper to put the tin up myself. make it from scratch, because when you think about it, it was framed just like a building inside a shed. If you were handy you can make it to the size you want. I was going to do mine from scratch and I really wish I did now. Make the 4 walls seperate raise tham up and bolt etc. the roof wood of being the challenge. Hey Gb why do you need the good drainage for the floor. my birdroom is water tight. Here is my plan why don't you... 1 small flight down one side of the wall, width of one panel of the shed and length of shed, that will give probably about 2 and 1/2 feet wide and 8 feet long flight, (that's how I wanted mine origionally) .You can have perches each end from floor to near the to so their will be plenty of perch room. Have breeding cages along the opposite wall and on the back wall make a baby aviary where the other aviary finishes, so about 2 feet wide and say 6 feet long so you still have room for breeding. I would only have one door and put the window.

Have a look at these links , they do the extra height . http://www.gardenshedsonline.com.au/index.php?p=product&product_code=Gable_Roof_Garden_Shed_3_0m_x_3_0m-116-7 http://www.barns.com.au/brochures/steel-chief-garden-sheds.pdf The company Durabuilt does the extra height on some of their sheds. Apsco don't. I really like this shed that Kaz put up, I like the fact that it has the extra supports. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Excel-Premium-Shed-3-7mx2-8m-Garden-Shed-Storage-Sheds-/150590659744?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item230fe71ca0

Hi, I have a 3m x 3m garden shed I ordered mine with wall height 215 and gable peak height from memory 254 cm and honestly you would not want it any lower. I paid around $750. for mine delivered, it came in 4 walls already assembled and 2 sides of the roof. Mine is A Steel Chief shed. Have a look at my post on my new birdroom. http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=29487 Anyway I have a whirly on the roof and actually no rain gets in in the winter. This is what I have discovered. because they are small sheds they do heat up much more than large sheds. You really need the extra height and you really need the cross ventalation to cool it down in the summer months. Now with mine I put the insulation foil on roof and walls, I completely line the inside with a freestanding wooden frame and and I framed the ceiling. I then insulate roof and ceiling. Then I lined the walls with cement sheeting because that is meant insulate too, BUT I actually hate the cement sheeting because I am limited to where I can put a nail.I have the door on the second panel and the window next to it on the 3 and 4th panel because I didn't want to waste a wall but I wish now I put the window on the back wall for cross ventilation. So when I finish breeding I am cutting the back wall up and putting in a small window. I am also putting up a veranda to try and cool it too. I do believe you need a second roof but how to do that is ???? Kaz how. I for one do not want any wood anywhere near my bird room because so far I am mouse proof. I also agree with Kaz, 3 aviaries and breeding cages would be to much for that size shed, you would regret it because you wouldn't be able to move around much. My birdroom is only for breeding as much as I would love to put aviary in there and that was my original plan I decided to go for breeding cages only, I have baby cages also which are quite big.

I really like that bird No 2, he stands out.

That's is exactly what he is like, he some times has a little bit of blue but mostly the pinky purple colour.

Nice birds Dan, you should breed some beauties from them, I like nearly all of them, some of them look like my birds, lol that's probably why I like them lol

I have all those books, I think in my view the The Cult is the better book of the 3.

Thanks Dan , I have been using it but probably not enough, I use the one from the health food shop with the mother in it.

I would find out if and where he sells his pet shop culls because we all get them and go there and buy them. If you are after his birds that is. I know someone in Melton area that use to the pet shop to let him know when Ian Hunter brought his birds in and I guess he would go through them and pick what he wanted before they went up for sale. Mind you Ian Hunter no longer lives in the area anymore. But they same goes for many top breeders.

It was funny because I thought they would of said he was out of condition but it must be normal.

I have a dom pied cock here and his cere is nearly always pinkish, it never seems to turn blue. But he is totally fertile and he has won best adult in Interemediate this year with his pinky type cere.

Thank you Kaz I just hope some turn out nice. I have one nest that only hatched 2 out of 4 fertile eggs but they are my bets pair, the cock is the brother to your bird he is a light green spangle in the siggy on the right and the hen is a sky cinnamon opaline, (Geoff reckons the best hen I have here) daughter to the violet.. so fingers crossed. Part me wants to close down the breeding for the year and treat all birds off the birdroom but the other part wants to try and get a few birds for the shield. TORN.

I don't know Renee, I am guessing it is from the seed, Rob Marshall says is an infection of the yolk sac and that Strep infection is the most common bacteria associated with budgies. Any suggestions. I'd close up the nest box and give the affected parents Doxy for 2 weeks. 3 years ago I did have Yellow Belly but since then no more after I routinely gave all birds 4-6 weeks treatment in the summer and then another 2 weeks prior to breeding. I keep mine in the fridge but it is worth checking how old it is and whether the Doxy has expired. I gave mine doxy before I put them down, but I didn't know the seed was bad plus that nest is raising other babies because there were foster eggs in there too. They has 4 chicks in there all doing well. My doxy is only 12 months old

Me too, but I have noticed on the third day after the hen starts sitting I can tell the egg is fertile but other than that I just leave them be. Check morning and night.

I don't know Renee, I am guessing it is from the seed, Their first round of 4 I think were all fine and the first chick from this nest hatch and then every other egg expect one is yellow belly, every other nest is fine. I treated them with moxi t for 5 days but the eggs took longer than that to hatch, I thunk that is why I saved the first one not sure. This cage is the cage that ate most of the jap millet , the other cages hardly touched it, so I am putting down to that, a build up in their bodies of poison seed when fertile and laying eggs. Rob Marshall says is an infection of the yolk sac and that Strep infection is the most common bacteria associated with budgies. Any suggestions.

Things should improve now Renee I think.

Latest update.... My breeding hasn't been to bad, but the nest with the yellow, well the first one survived but the last 4 eggs hatched and died from yellow belly, I did give the parents moxi T to try and save the chicks but to no avail. Another nest which is a light green cock and light hen plus he is running with a grey hen, both hens had 4 fertile eggs each. The light hen hatched 2 chicks and all good but still waiting for her to hatch the other, I have a feeling they won't hatch, the grey hen yesterday I found an egg with a hole in it and I broke it open dead chick, I put the other 3 eggs under the light green hen after I let them chill a bit and the next morning the hen had chipped away at 3 of them. There was a dark dead in shell chick, being dead for a while and in another egg a chick that looked to be due to hatch in a day or two but dead and the third egg, I really wished I had of let it alone but it had chips all the around around it and it got the better of me by the end of the day I had to chip away with it and I couldn't believe it because was alive but nowhere near ready to hatch, SO I KILLED IT. sad. In another nest I have a white DF spangle son of Kaz's white boy with a yellow DF spangle hen and I have high hopes for this nest, anyway the have 4 fertile eggs I think ( there are a couple of foster eggs in there too) well she hatch a chick 3 days ago and all was going great but it was dead this morning it had full crop. Still waiting for the other eggs to hatch.??? On the good side I have some healthy little chicks are some photos sorry they are blurry but this camera is driving me nuts. Nest where I have babies nest 3....the parents are white df spangle cock x grey cinnamon spangle hen 3 chicks I grey cin spangle I think. and 2 white Df spangle. nest 5... violet cock x grey hen. they have 5 chicks. nest 7.. White Df spangle cock x yellow Df spangle hen.. chick just died nest 9.. dk green dom pied cock x light green cinn hen... 6 fertile eggs and only 1 chick hatched, a grey green cinn pied nest 10... light green cock x light green hen. 2 chicks so far. nest 11.. cobalt spangle x grey green pied.. 6 fertile eggs and 5 have hatched and I am happy to say I have 2 blue pieds, excited about this nest, they are probably spangle pieds But I don't care. nest nest 22... light green spangle x sky cinn oplaine.. 4 fertile eggs 2 hatched. I have high hopes for these chicks nest 26... Cobalt spangle x sky hen..1 chick nest 29 .. violet green cock x dark green hen... 7 chicks have hatched about another 7 to go. I died yesterday though. nest 30 .. grey cock x violet hen.. yellow belly nest, one chick I have eggs in other nest and new pairs down too.

Hello Corey and welcome to the forum.

I know someone a few years ago that put traps out because he was sick of them killing his birds but he was reported by a some one that saw the poor hawk caught in this trap. This person was in huge trouble he was fined a huge amount of money and I think he go off light considering what they can fine you etc. So trying to trap them or hurt is not a good idea because they are protected. Anyway the are a pain in the back side but also so they are a beautiful bird, they are Raptors and they are only doing what comes naturally.

The hawks are the problem here but no with the budgies, I have never seen them bother the budgies at all, but the roof is all enclosed maybe that makes a difference, but the hawks get the pigeons but then the magpies chase the hawks off. The minor birds let us know there is a hawk around and then the next thing you know there is a magpie swooping at the hawk. Go the pies lol. The owls are up in the big gum tree down the back. You can hear them bo bo booing through the night and even in the day.

If I fed one steak I think I would be worried it would come back for more. You know an easy meal. We have the Boobook owl here, we see and here them nearly every night but they don't seem to bother the birds.

Sorry about your clear rounds. I have had it been there and done that. And it is so disappointing. This year I made up my mind that I wasn't using young cocks until they are around 18 months because I find them a pain very in mature. But I still use young hens with Experienced cocks. My fertility has been great.