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This guy is great he also says that there can be ALbinos / Yf ... How ever the above post is from another forum And there is evidence of Double factor Yellow Face Which is awesome as it produces Normal white faces ... I have found his Genetics Site for Budgie breeders it is FANTASIC ..... as Case studies and More ...I need t make a cuppa i am in for a long night .... CLICK HERE FOR WEBSITE Enjoy

okay upon my studing with Genes and etc ... I have come across a thread that was of good reading , Now I am a very Gulable person and have always know that 2 yellows ca't make a blue ... However have we considered DAMAGED GENES ?????? I am posting the thread I read - could this be true that the gene responsible for the yellow pigment Can get damaged ???? Warning: the historical events, places and names of breeders in this post are incorrect, but it just seemed nicer to write it up like a (fictional) story in the hope that it will make stuff easier to digest. Funny stuff those budgerigar colours. If you mix the genes that on the one hand produce a yellow bird and genes that on the other hand produce a blue bird you get a white one. Everybody who got its diploma from kindergarden knows that when you mix yellow and blue you get green - not white. But of course what we call yellow isn't actually caused by a yellow gene but by a blue gene. And what we call blue is cause by a yellow gene. Confused? You should, but let me explain how genes and mutations work. Take the normal light green budgerigar like those that fly freely over the Australian plains. Why is it green? Because it has yellow pigment and specially constructed feathers that reflect blue light. Back to kindergarden: yellow + blue = green. Are you still with me? Now people took these nice budgerigars to Europe and started to breed with them. Now everyone is breeding light greens and no other colours are know. As it just happened, somewhere in Scotland, at a breeder named Scott, something goes wrong with the passing on of the genes from the father to one his chicks: the gene responsible for the yellow pigment gets damaged. The yellow gene the chick gets from his mother still works so the chick now has one working and one not working yellow gene. Since the chick still has one yellow gene it is capable to produce yellow pigment and it just looks as green as its parent. A few months pass and someone called Skye wants to start with budgerigar. He checks the adds section of the local paper and finds that Scott is selling some of his surplus budgerigars. He rings Scott and arranges to come over the next day. Skye and Scott quickly argee on the price and Skye returns home with a pair of green budgerigars and some advise on how to breed. He doesn't know that the male he just bought is the chick with the one defective yellow gene. One year later the breeding season had been good for Skye: he bred 14 chicks out of the pair. Unfortunatly mum died soon after the last bunch fledged. Skye sells his chicks, except for a nice, lively young hen. As luck would have it this hen inherited the damaged yellow gene from her father, but of course a working yellow gene from her mother. So just like every other budgerigar known at the time she was green. Quite some time earlier a monk called Mendel was very interrested in plants. After all that was the business his father was in. He did some experiments with crossing different types of peas. He concluded that a characteristic is determined by a gene pair and how these genes are inherited from parent to offspring. Off course he didn't call it a gene as that word wasn't invented yet. Funny that a clergeman put forward a method for traits to be passed on to the next generation as that would later prove to be an essential requirement in Darwins theory. Back to the two budgerigars of Skye. The cock has a normal yellow gene and a damaged yellow gene. Lets just pick a symbol to represent these genes. I like the letters b and l. Lets call the normal, working yellow gene bl+. A plus because it's in fine working order and that always deservers a better mark. Which logically makes us represent the bad, damaged yellow gene without the plus sign. bl+: normal, working yellow gene bl: damaged yellow gene Both dad and his nice, lively daugther have both types of the gene. So this new pair can be represented as: DAD: bl+/bl MUM: bl+/bl The next breeding season start for Skye. He's unaware of the damaged yellow genes in his birds. Both dad and mum pass on either bl+ or bl to their young, so you can get these combinations in the chicks: From dad: bl+ From mum: bl+ Chick #1: bl+/bl+ From dad: bl From mum: bl+ Chick #2: bl/bl+ From dad: bl+ From mum: bl Chick #3: bl+/bl From dad: bl From mum: bl Chick #4: bl/bl Chick #1 is just like all other green budgerigars as it has no damaged yellow genes. Chicks #2 and #3 are green because they have a working yellow gene but they also have a damaged yellow gene like their parents. Chick #4 only has damaged yellow genes so it can't make yellow pigment. As a result the normally green budgerigar becomes blue!!! Skye can't believe his eyes. A lot of people come and see the blue bird and some offer fortunes for it. I hope you can see now that 'blue' is actually minus yellow. In the meantime, somewhere on the continent something similar happens with a blue gene that gets damaged. Breeder Bert breeds yellows because of this. A 'yellow' bird is actually a minus blue. So knowing this, you can understand that a white bird is possible with both damaged genes. A normal green has both blue and yellow pigment. Now combining 'blue' and 'yellow' in one bird is actually: green minus yellow minus blue = blue + yellow minus yellow minus blue = no pigment. No pigment means white. Website article is from http://www.schilduil.org/

Wow .... Thanks ELLY .... Making sense ....

When two birds with different sex-linked characters are mated, one will act as if it were a non sex-linked bird ... So elly you are saying that the genes go in a dominate order :Greens (All Forms) Dominant Pieds Greys Clear-Flights Violets Spangles Yellow Faces (to the blue series) Crests .. This has all go me confused from everthing that I have benn taught

ELLY INO ARE SEX LINKED MAKING THEM DOMINATE

Missylu Looks lke Baby one bum has been plucked?????

Melbourne I'll put it in terms I understand ..Lutino is a Yellow bird right But it is Really a GREEN bird that has had it's top coat of paint washed off ( so to speak)Albine is a White Bird - Really a BLUE that too has had it's final coat of paint washed off .... So we are left with UNDERCOAT BUDGIES .... ( yes i am really blonde and this was the only way i could understand the begining of genectic lol ) ......Now you have 2 dominate genes ...1. L = Lutino2. A= Albino They are both stuborn and pig headed so the baby can not be both so 1 gene has to give making it Recssive ...Hope this helps ... If not I have confused the *** out of eveyone If you are wanting Cremino's Now I was only told this last night ... As my pair my throw them tooI have an Albino Male and a Golden face Hen . chances are Cremino's and Albninos ....Not 100% sure what you will get if you put Albino to Lutino's though somone will answer that and correct me soo ... I hope

okay because both the Lutino and Albino are a SEX LNKED GENES THEY ARE DOMINATE 1 of those genes then becomes Reccessive .....

...GREAT VDEO INFO eggs at varying stages of development are candled to demonstrate the differences in their appearance. An infertile egg and DIS is also candled, as a comparative model.Also shows the difference with English Budgies too

This is My Spangle Missylu looks like your

The male cere is 1 colour you will notice that there is 1 shade lighter in the top half of the cere in the female ..... Know this only my studing the pics ...... this rule also applies in the babies, Inos and rec pied

Hey Missylu .... First look like a YF2 Spangle and the 2 birds Golden face Colbalt Spangle the others are too little for me ..... I need a few more weeks to tell ya LMAO What colour eyes does baby 4 have

YES .... will show picture ,,,,,, give me a sec ops

It's the best news .... I sat the nestbox on the hotwatr bottle and they were fine too ,,,, I've checked and she is still beig a good mum .... OH THANK GOODNESS

Hello Everyone ….. Firstly To those of you who helped me: I was freaking out a lot ….. The results from the vet: IT IS A FAT PAD !!!! Because she as over plucked you can see it … The muscle wall separates due to laying and sitting on eggs. There may be a little hernia but nothing to worry about she is fine …

This is for 2 things ... 1 Black eyes .... 2. White Iris Rings ....

DF Spangle ....

Can't tell in picture if Bunny's eyes are Plum or Black .... This will answer your question If is rec or DF dom .... I love this topics.... HEHEH

Kaz, I thought you were never gonna answer this thread ...... K .... Thanks Mate - The vet lets me put everything on Tick for the month so I mght stock up on extra's too ...

Thank you Neat. That's very interesting. Now I know that both her parents are carrying the Pied gene. Maybe the most recent chick, Bunny, will also be a DF Dom Pied too. Her father must be Normal/Dom Pied and mother Dom Pied/???? I am only just understanding the whole mutations side of thing to get a DF DOM PIED ( Double Factor ) Both Parents have to be carring the Dom Pied gene ... Hva you got a picture of new bubs or is it the Cin in the first picture??

Hey Jody Great advice from Kaz ... As usual ! : ) If your bird is in inside one make sure it's kept warm and little interatction as this is a MOODY time Birds when they moult they aren't themselves, they can be Less Talkative and More Bity .... Plenty of Fresh Healthy Food and Rest - Moulting Aid is something that I am about to give mine as they are going thru a molt too, it helps with them to get thru the molt a little quicker

All but 6 of mine are moulting too.... Young, Adults ... I might get some moulting aid stuff to help them along ... I am in South western Sydney and it's Autum and Getting really cold

Yes Liv i am this time I will see if i can gett crop needles from them too ....

The picture above is a Double Factor Dom Pied ..... Double-factor dominant pieds have very little markings; most of their feathers are clear,The irises of a dominant pied budgie turn light with maturity. This is a key factor in telling the difference between a dominant pied and a recessive pied, since recessive pieds' eyes stay a dark plum color throughout their life.

Sorry Kaz, I was talking about the egg and biscuit like in the pet shops. My birds never touch it! Any other suggestions to give them while rearing chicks?? Jenene, Basically you want feed that it easy for the parents to digest and re feed bubs, There are great recipes on thelink Kaz gave you try the birdy Breed .... Or add to your vegies multigrai or brown bread that is at least 2 days old grate it or use the blender ...... ( this was advised by an avain vet)