Dave_McMinn

But what if the bird is a cock bird with one recessive gene and the one ino. I am guesing the ino is on a different allele so whilst the father passes on the ino gene, he has to pass something else on right? This is my point I = ino r = recessive Dad Mum II rr If they bred, and produced male that was Ir, what would it look like? The hens would all be Ino's, as the ino is sex linked, so in the above case, all the hens would be albinos, but what would the boys be. Not albinos, as they need two Ino's, and not recessive, as they need 2 receiisve genes. i am thinking the mauve normal is the Ir. Am I right?

TO get recessive chicks, Dad has to be split recessive. So you bred a recessive pied grey hen to a YF2 Albino male masking recessive pied and you have ended up with 1. YF2 Recessive pied grey (mauve) chick (cock) 2. YFS Cobalt Recessive pied chick (cock) 3. Albino Hen 4. Mauve normal (cock) Here is my question. If you breed an albino male to a recessive pied, and the male chick gets the ino gene from Dad and the recessive pied chick from Mum, will it look recessive pied even though it only has one recessive pied gene? Which is dominant over the other? Since ino is sex linked, does that rule our the Ino look in this case, and since the recessive needs to 2 genes for dominance, what happens?

how do they compare cost wise?

I have a bird named nibbler. He is in the aviary, but he would have made a great pet. I love that baby bird nibbling. Some nice little ones.

Pearce, the more I read about your red mite problem, the more I thought that whilst the birds were treated, the mites were simply living off the birds for short periods of time, then reinfecting the birds as soon as they can.

Always sad to hear, though I have to say sometimes it is better to lose 1 bird than a whole lot of other birds. I recently made that decision with a very good show bird, a hen as well, but sometimes with our birds, the needs od themany outweigh the needs of the few.

As soon as I put mine down, i have to get out of the way as they love them and try to get to the veges as soon as possible.

Part 2 Pair Eleven Midori – a Grey Green Opaline Spangle with a Grey Green Normal (left) Pair Twelve Jester – a Hans Sibum bred Grey Spangle with a Sky Violet Opaline Spangle (far left) Pair Thirteen Blu – a sky blue cock with an opaline grey hen Pair Fourteen – this is a future pair, both are too young at the moment. Idol – light green spangle with Beauty – Cec Gearing bred grey green spangle A few more pairs, but it is dependant upon me fixing up some breeding cages, so the “possibles” are (they may go down later in the year) Pair Fifteen Earl – an opaline grey with Aphrodite – a yellow face type 2 violet sky blue (right) Pair Sixteen Nibbler – a sky blue with Sherbert – a light green clearwing (left) Pair Seventeen Grey – a Hans Sibum bred Grey with Athena – a sky blue (left) (right) Now, I will take some better pics when I am catching them up, but at this stage, I would like some feedback or thoughts from the more experienced breeders. Any pairings I have majorly wrong? Please let me know why they are wrong please and suggestions are most welcome.

Just the throat spots that are missing right? Wow, spanlges must be so hard to show - they have so many things that judges can take marks off for, or for not having. Great looking little ones.

very nice additions to an already impressive collection Kaz. Well done.

I am looking at what pairs I am going to put down to breed. All up, I have space for 14 pairs, so here is what I am thinking. Pair One Caesar – a sky blue Cec Gearing bred cock with Latte - a grey opaline hen (left) Pair Two A Green Opaline/Lutino Cock (Hans Sibum bred) with a Lutino – purchased from Cec Gearing Pair Three A Grey/Clearwing -Nubbly5 bred with a Green Clearwing -Nubbly5 bred Pair Four Old Man – a Grey Green Cinnamon wing (used for breeding by Hans Sibum) with Sunshine - Lutino (never bred before). The Old Man probably has probably only 1 breeding season left in him. He is a good father I am told and I think he might be a good intro to breeding for Sunshine. Pair Five Bruticus - a Cec Gearing bred Grey Normal with Kiwi - an Abi Hauder bred Cinnamon wing Grey Clearflight Pied (Left) Pair Six HGB – a Henry George Bloodlined/Fran McLoughlin purchased Cobalt Cinnamon Wing with Kestral – an Abi Hauder bred Yellow Faced type 2 Opaline Cinnamon Winged Grey Spangle (right) Pair Seven Twitch – a Henry George Bloodline/Fran McLoughlin purchased Green with a Fran McLoughlin bred Grey Green Opaline Spangle Pair Eight HGGy – Henry Geroge Bloodlined/Fran McLoughlion purchased Grey Cinnamon Wing with Cino – an Opaline Grey Cinnamon Wing (back) Pair Nine Dumb – a Hans Sibum bred Opaline Violet Sky Blue Spangle Double Factor (White) Spangle Pair Ten Dumber - a Hans Sibum bred Opaline Violet Sky Blue Spangle with an Opaline Sky Blue gifted to me by Libby End of Part 1 - when someone replies I will post part 2

Red eyes hey? Not plum? Imagine you put this pair down and got a lutino from it. talk about unexpected

does she sit normally on a flat surface? The reason I ask is that if she is going to breed, this might be a helpful iftem to add. I had a bird that broke a leg and I was going to use this method to provide her a flat surface to "perch on" during mating.

Any one who has lost a bird due to poor quarantine practices knows why quarantine is important. Some of us do everything correctly and still lose birds. Quarantine is not a magic wand, but it is essential.

No DF spangles from the pairing Kaz? Interesting. i wonder if you will get any this time.

if you are not breeding for showing, i am not sure what you mean by form wise. Will they compliment each other? Yes, as not for show, means you want to put a male and female together. Some people may not like the whole spangle dom pied combination. Personally, i think it looks great. It is up to you.

So you are pairing a green pied cock to a blue opaline spangle hen. If we assume the male is not split blue then 100% of the chicks will be green - as for other mutations 25% will be normal green chicks 25% will be green spangle pieds 25% will be green spangles 25% will be green pieds All will be split blue. If the cock is split blue 12.5% will be normal green chicks 12.5% will be green spangle pieds 12.5% will be green spangles 12.5% will be green pieds 12.5% will be normal blue chicks 12.5% will be blue spangle pieds 12.5% will be blue spangles 12.5% will be blue pieds Of course, if Dad is secretly split to cinnamon and/or opaline, that throws extra data in.

It has been a long time since I wrote in this thread, and it is with sad new that I do again. As you know if you read back through this thread, my trip to Perth saw me purchase a grand total of 30 birds. 29 came back with me, with one mauve bird not making it. Her symptoms were regurgitating food, runny poos and eventually she died in Perth before I left. I returned home, and the birds were no meds, but about 14 days in, the grey cock bird from the same breeder as the mauve hen, died. Same symptoms. I did not get an autopsy done. I should have, but I did not. When i was preparing the birds for the aviary, Caesar did not look well, so I isolated him, nor did a hen from Hans - the cinnamon winged opaline green. Caesar made a complete recovery and is in the avairy now. I have been taking the hen to the vet each week, and she has shown little sign of improvement. Still underweight, still throwing up, no explanation for it. The way she was going she was never going to recover. I made the hard decision tonight, and told the vet to euthanase her. They will do that, then do an autopsy so I can have a better idea of what infected her, and the others. I need to know. I could not risk her going into the aviary, and she has not been in good health for over 2 months. No signs of recovery. All that could have happened was she spread her illness to others, so to the birds who did not make it to Wattle Flights, you will be missed and I am sorry I could not do more.

If it ever gets done -

wow, scary stuff. I really feel for you. I just had to make a hard decision on one of mine, but that is tough, wow. Thoughts are with you and yours.

They are looking great Deb, well done.

Is she kept in a cage or an aviary? If you find some wider branches, you can get those screws from bunnings that screw into the wood and have a bolt on the other end. So you screw the end into the thick branch, have the bolt go through the wire, and attach a wing nut on the outside. This always works better than trying to find a thick branch that can go through the bars at both sides of a cage. Dave

Tough lesson to learn. I have had that happen, but i was able to save the bird. we learn hard lesson sometimes. i am sorry for your loss.

Welcome Ino. I am guessing with your name you are a white haired, red eyed gentleman, or you jsut really have a bad case of jaundice - Looking forward to your pics.

Update time. There has been little to no work on the breeding room as I seemt o use all my free time helping others. So far, I have spent multiple weekends helping my parents clen out my grandmother's house so it can be sold, so no chance to work on the birdroom there. I have had tree issues as well. I have had an external tree removed last weekend and I am goign to have to get the internal (on property) tree removed within the ensxt few weeks. i am also getting some fences done (soon hopefully, I am fast getting annoyed with this) and so that has slowed me down. I had planned to put some breeding pairs down in the next few days, but if I have to move the aviary now to get this tree removed, then I will need the breeding cages for holding cages whilst this happens. What a nightmare.