Dave_McMinn

Interesting genetic makeup on patches there.

Your birds are great Dean. Thanks for the updates.

I am with Kaz. Save yourself the potential headaches and only have 1 pair per cage.

Squeak has explained it pretty well

On a show day counting travel the birds might be in their show cages for up to or over 12 hours. The birds need to eat in this time and thus the seed in the show cages, as well as the mini drinkers with water in them. Birds being shown should not suffer because they are on show.

You are better off buying 2 good quality pairs from one very good breeder than bits & pieces from everywhere. Try to learn from our mistakes.

I agree with Dean

welcome to the forum

Chirpy is a yellow faced sky blue recessive pied male

Wings do not looks cinnamon and his eyes look black to me

Looking forward to following this post as you settle in

I came home today, went out to spray water and cool down the birds in the aviary, and noticed that two birds had not survived the day. I lost a Light Green opaline Dommie Pied/Lutino Cock. He was an 06 bird that Kaz had gifted me and he was lovely. I have a daughter of his and she gets better looking every day. It is such a shame. He his his illness well but when I found him he had a pooey vent. The cock bird is at the back - I lost this hen in the nestbox eggbound. The other bird I lost hurts a lot as it was Kiwi. Kiwi was a 2007 Grey Cinnamon Wing Dommie Pied Hen. She was called Kiwi as when I went to Perth in January 2009 she has broken her leg and so she went and lived with my mother. Mum took great care of her. I named her Kiwi as what else do you call a medium sized brown flightless bird? Kiwi had 5 daughters with Twitch and I still have 4 of them. Losing Kiwi is very sad as there is that attachment, she is a hen and she was in good condition. No sign of any illness, no pooey vent, feathers in good condition, good weight. From where she is laying, it looks like she might have had a night fright, flew into the wire and broken her neck. Very sad. My mother is going to be devastated as afer looking after Kiwi for so long, she thinks of her as her bird. Kiwi with young, with injured leg, with Twitch or on her own Go in peace little ones, knowing that you are missed.

very nice Dean

This is the first time i have considered the parents - thanks for posting those pics. If that is Mum in the first two pics, and dad in the second to, then you will notice that mum, like dad, is a spangle. Forget what I said earlier, you do not have a Dark-Eyed Clear, but instead, you have a Yellow faced Double Factor Spangle. You did not state that Mum was a spangle, thus why I was confused. Mum is definitely a spangle, look at her wing pattern. Mum is Yellow Faced Skye blue recessive pied spangle whilst dad is an olive green spangle/blue/recessive pied/lutino. I think that is it.

We were just talking about this mutation on the board - well I was. Do you have a picture you can put up on here? Have you put fliers up in yoru neighbourhood? Good luck finding the little one.

Honestly, if you are keeping it all together, not seperating the nestbox or anything like that, yes, it should be fine. You need to make sure you keep the cage covered the whole time, this will make the birds feel more secure. Take out any water so it does not go all over the place, and replace it when you get there - it is only 1.5 hours so they will be fine without it for a while. It is not the best option, but you can do it. Just move things slowly, no sudden movements, and keep the cage covered.

See now there are a lot of experts on here that leave me for dead, but I am going to say that you have a YF Dark-Eyed Clear. This table will help you understand how you can get the mutation. It might mean you need to look at the parents and reconsider the way you classified their mutations. Oops, almost forgot - I say male. So I think you have a YF Dark-Eyed Clear Cock.

I think the onfusion comes in the fact that it is the same colour as Dad, but since this little one still has not had its first moult, the colours are not as vibrant as its Dad. I think cobalt spangle, as has been stated. I think this little guy will look like Dad. You now also know that he is split opaline and that Mum is split blue.

I always am... but Kaz's tables helped me a bit -

If both WERE recessive pieds, than 100% chance of the young being recessive pieds. If one was recessive pied and the other was split recessive pied, then you have a 50% chance of getting recessive pied. If both are split receeisve pied, there is only a 25% chance of getting receeive pied. This table should help For more of these tables, check out the Breeding Expectations Table Thread located here

It is natural to have her pull out chest feathers. It allows her to transfer warmth to the eggs better. Leave her alone, she is fine.

That YF of yours is stunning, and it looks like the boys have inherited their father's looks. Good job Matt!!!!

all 3 birds are blue ringers, so they are all 1 year old, at most. And no, you cannot have the grey yf -

If you treat all your birds, they will not be hurt if they are mite free, and they will be better if they have scaley mites. One drop on the back of the necks to them all, problem solved.

Good job. Keep the pics of the little one's development coming. Did you put the older sister from the previous clutch in a kindy cage?