Dave_McMinn

okay, update time. Firstly, no rats last night. I put a lot of Ratsak down where no birds or dogs could get to and hopefully it will work. Birds Sebby and Cheese are proving to be excellent parents, raising their 5 very well. I am trying to handle them every day. Eldest is a Golden Faced Type II Recessive Pied. Not sure on the whole Opaline thing. 2nd Eldest is a very pretty Golden Face Cinnamon Winged Sky blue. Not an opaline. 3rd Eldest is a Golden Faced Opaline Cinnamon Winged Sky Blue. Still not sure if type 1 or 2. He plays dead all the time. What type of animal plays dead as a defence? Might help with naming. Check out the wings picture. 2nd Youngest is going to be like older brother and is a Golden faced recessive pied type II. Youngest will also be a Golden Faced Recessive Pied Type II. You can just see the yellow pins coming through. Angel and Hugo have 5 in their nest, with more hatching all the time it seems. The journeyman is the oldest, and he looks to be a normal blue. The others are all too young to tell so far. No red eyes, but we would not expect any as Hugo is a DF Dom Pied. Interesting to see what Angel is split to. Tralia and Nibbler now have 3 little ones. They all look to be doing well. The young will help solve the riddle of what Tralia really is. There you go - more updates in a few days.

A hen's cere will change as she comes in and out of season. It is of course possible for a hen to be larger than a cock. For example, a show bird, or a bird that comes from show, or partial show stock, will be larger than a pet type cock.

well done

okay, no more pics today, probably get some more on tuesday as I am busy tomorrow. Update: Humphrey and Milly have been returned to the aviary. Cheese and Sebby are going strong raising 5 in their nest box. Angel now has 5 in her nest box, 4 of hers and the journeyman Tralia now has 2 in her nest box. Rats were in the aviary again last night. I really need to build that safety door as that will prevent their entrance form where it attaches. I put down rat traps in the aviary and ratsak in an area that only the rats can get to, so hopefully they will have a good feed on that and never make it to the aviary.

Unamed youngster Maybe yellow or golden faced, cinnamon winged Unamed youngster goldenfaced recessive pied Unamed youngster maybe standard blue unamed youngster maybe recessive pied

Its a mauve BUT very very dark...almost slate like. I bought her for her dark factor and with certain pet type breeding birds in the aviary. I was going to say that the bird was very dark. i wonder if you took birds like that you , maybe bred toa grey, you could develop it into the anthracite budgie

Do you need special council permission for an aviary that size? I remember the issues Daz has gone thru.

Yes, Kaz, I did notice the yellow face, just did not write it for some reason. I actually named the picture SC_YF_CW_bue, meaning Sebby and Cheese, Yellow face, Cinnamon Wing blue. The middle child may be not be cinnamon or opaline, but the yellow is definitely washing throughout the body, as it is visible on the pins on the wings. Funny thing with their Dad is that although he is a yello faced blue type 2, all the blue patches on him are sky blue, there are no green patches. i think this is because of the pied genes. Interesting to see what happens with the young ones. So if Cheese is split to cinnamon, that makes him a Golden faced type II, opaline recessive pied that is split to cinnamon. Wow, what a mouthful!!!

Pieds, cinnamons, spangles. It is like a burger with the lot - (Laughing out loud)!!

Some people are close Jimmy, you are not even in the same ballpark. As for the pics update, here we go.... Humphrey and Milly are looking great. They will go back in the aviary tomorrow. Milly will not breed again, but Humprhey might get another turn come December. Sebby and Cheese are full of suprises. Either Cheese is split to cinnamon, or Sebby has somehow passed it on, as one of the young is definitely a cinnamon. Oldest is a recessive pied like Dad. Golden Face, type 2. Note the bright face compared to the other yellow feathers on the head. Opaline? 2nd Youngest looks like he will also turn out to look like Dad. Opaline? Youngest is too young to tell right now. Middle Child looks to be a yellow faced blue, but may turn out to be a cinnamon and opaline as well. Opaline 2nd eldest is very interesting. Look closely at the flight feathers coming thru - cinnamon, and very cinnamon at that. Angel and hugo now have 3 of their own that have hatched to join the journeyman. Hard to tell by the pile, but there is one underneath that pile. Better pics to come later. Tralia and Nibbler have their first hatchling. More to come soon hopefully

New pics to come in the next few days. I am busy these days, with school, gym, even school on satruday (damn open day), then helping parents on sunday, then birthday for nephew sunday night. If I do nto get the pics though, they will be grown up before i know it. I check them everyday and they just seem to be gettin cuter.

good stuff Trekmp. keep us updated. You sound like you are doing all the right things. If there looks to be no sign of improvement, and only u can judge that, go back to the vets

Feel free to call me Dave, rather than dmcminn - (Laughing out loud)

My tip is to look at Daz's design on here. Do a search for the thread on his aviary. It was excellent, and although the climate in ontario canada is very different to the envirionment in Queensland, a lot of his ideas, problems and solution would work very well with yours. Draw up some plans before you do anything. You seem like you have a really good idea on what you want to do, now put them to paper, or do it on computer, whatever u find easier. After that, I suggest you post them on here, and then people will be able to give you more feedback. I am sorry to hear about your Dad. It is more of an incentive than anything that you do this to get the birds away from him to allow his health to improve. I can say or do little at this point but to encourage you and to say that I am looking forward to following this thread as it progresses.

Will their markings get darker as they gow and after their first moult Kaz?

okay, I am going to ask. I know everyone is thinking. I do not want an exact figure, but ballpark, what is a person looking at for something like that?

any photos at all. it may help the more experienced people on here if they can see what you are talking about

I am no expert, so I expect to get corrected very soon after I type this, but I think Bert - Sky Blue Opaline Cock Ernie - Sky Blue Clearflight Dominant Pied

I think you are on the money Liv, I agree. A sky blue greywing cock. No need to say normal, as technically the greywing means he is not normal. he is cute.

Kaz, do you have any front on pics of that new one you bought, the first picture. It appears very dark. Is it a grey?

it is the opposite of humans. You know how things like colourblindness is sex linked, as in most people with it are male? that is because i people, the male has the XY genes. Opposite in budgies. Females have the XY genes. Very few characteristics, in either, are carried on the Y gene, so whatever is on the X gene dominates. So if a male budige that gives a X gene to a young budgie, with the opalien characteristic, and the femal give as a Y gene, then the bird will be female. Since the C gene carries little or no characteristics, then the budgie will be female and opaline. If the male budgie gives the X gene with the opaline gene, and the female is not an opaline, therefore her genes are XY, btu no opaline characteristic on her X, but gives and X gene, the bugie will be male, as it has XX genes. Dad has said be opaline, mum has said do not be opaline, not being opaline is dominant, so the baby boy will not be opaline, but will be split to opaline.

Just because a little one does not have the strength to lift their body up and support their own weight, thus pushing their legs out to the side a little, does not mean splayed legs. Look for the red inflamation as well.

Hi Dave, Do you usually trim around the birds vents? Feathers. No Feathers, I do not. I have never had to. I suppose what I said up there was more concern than anything else. If I ever got really serious about show birds, I might, but I do nto at the moment.. Thanks Elly. yes, they are cute when they are turtled.

My aviary is all about a good mix. I am trying to get some of everything. This pair has produced a recessive pied, and 2 blues. i am not sure what Angel and Hugo will produce, but at least the journeyman has company as you said

Fair point. I wasn't writing it to be mean, just simply stating the rules (which doen't hurt every now and again for the benefit of all)... but I do understand the update issue when no one replies to a post. I never thought you were being mean, and I do not think Enna would think that. You're not like that Maesie. We all know that