Dave_McMinn

thanks for explaining the ino gene for me, i would be really interested in your recessive pieds, i love their colours so i really want to breed some and have been trying to buy some but have not been able to find any in my area. At this stage Deb, i think I am keeping the eldest and he appears to be a male, but there are 5 others i am thinking about. With me wanting to keep larger birds as a preference, there are 2 recessive pieds, one yellow faced blue type 2 who is split to recessive pied, one opaline cinnamon wing yellow faced blue type 2 and one cinnamon wing yellow faced type 1 sky blue. I might keep the last one, we will see, but the others may well go to your aviary. Where is your area? As for the budgie dish in my signature Kaz and Indz, it is an old family heirloom. Well, not really, but the whole bird thing is. My father used to run a business called Bird products here in Sydney. He made everything from breeding cabinets, to nestboxes, to mouse houses. best moust house he ever made had 4 stories, big sheet of glass at the front, door you cold open from the side, ramps so they could run up and down, truly an artwork. Funny now, as i would love it if he still had that business. oh well .....

The spangles are not split for the ino gene, sound of the pieds may be. Hugo the father is a Double factor dominant pied, the mother is an albino, so they are going to single factor dominant pieds, and since she is albino, they will stay blue based birds. The dominant pied is, as the name implies, dominant, so they get that from their father, and they are visually pied, but they must carry another gene, which they get from their mother. Now, their mother is a an albino, so she has and disaplys hte -ino gene. They may carry it, and it will appear in their offspring. Deb, I pretty much plan on keep the majority if not all of the spangles and the dominant pieds, but I am not sure what to do with the recessive pieds. What about u Deb? You still interested? Anyone else in NSW looking for recessive pieds?

okay, update time. Cheese and Sebby's clutch are spending more time outside the nestbox, so that is good, however they still return there at night. Sebby is looking quite healthy in her own little cage and she might make a return to the aviary soon. Nibbler and Tralia's young are going very well. This is the way I see them feathering up. Eldest - Cobalt/violet spangle 2nd eldest - Yellow faced blue - not sure one the shade 3rd eldest - another blue based spangle 4th eldest - a tellow faced type 2 spangle youngest - too young to tell. Hugo and Angel's clutch are all going well. Feathering up nicely. Journeyman - he is a yellow face type 2 sky blue/recessive. all of their clutch are going to look like their Dad - violet spangles and some may be split to the ino gene. Pale ale now has some dark patches appearing on him and he is looking healthier than ever. he is going to make it. An observation There is a noticeable size difference between the young of Sebby and Cheese and the young of the other pairs. Now Nibbler and Hugo are both large birds, they do not have the show heads, but they all have length. Their partners are pet types, Angel and Tralia. The young look like they will be long, not so much big, but it is a good start. Pics to come soon.

Thanks Daz, as an IT Teacher, these are so true as you would be amazed at what people are told. I read some out at lunch and we all had a cood laugh

Once I work out genders, i will let you know Deb. I think that one of the pieds is a hen, I know that the eldest is male, the youngest might be male, the cinnamons are female, and that leaves one pied, and i think it is a hen. Kaz, they come out, but go back int he nest at night. I am not sure how long they spend out, as my damn bank manager keeps insisting I go to work to pay my mortgage. Damn him.

They look great feathers. I do love the dark spangle markings. Very cool

Came home and was checking on the birds, when I realised that it was not actually Cheese that I was talking to, but rather the eldest young one. Cheese was sitting back and looking on. They look very similar. Cheese has a golden face and the young one does not. Only visible difference

I actaully have some little igloo's, the type you use with hansters and rats, not mice, the mice ones are smaller. I do not actually eat icecream, so it is hard to come up with icecream containers - (Laughing out loud) - so I bought these ones. They cannot go another round as Mum was removed from the breeding box to another cage to prevent another round from happening and to allow her to regain some strength before heading back into the aviary. Note - she has layed 2 eggs in this cage, both from a perch, so she definitely wanted a new clutch.

they all look great. well done

You are right Maesie, nothing is made to last these days. Interent is obviously operational again, washing machine man is coming on wednesday, and I will buy a new DVD come Thursday night. Anyway, as Maesie pointed out, the birds are all well. I am hoping to see Sebby and Cheese's young ones fledge soon. I am thinking of closing off the breeding box and placing them all on the floor of the breeding cage in a container.

Been a strange weekend for IT at my house. pics were taken on aschool camera I bought home to experiment with. Not as good as my camera. Focusses strangely on the setting I was using. Belt went on the washing machine, so it is in need of repair. internet connection was down, until repaired today. Dvd player in bedroom has gone, and it scratched up a dvd. Yes Maesie, things look good with the BIRDS at the moment - (Laughing out loud)!!

Deb, you still out there? Any requests?

Too bad you live on the sunshine coast or u could have had one.

Oscar is a showbird, but only an 07 bird. Definitely figures highly in future breeding programs. Ozzie is a pet type. I think Oscar is hunching in the photos so that his friend Ozzie does not feel inadequate.

(Laughing out loud) Ozzie is the green and gold one. (Laughing out loud)!!!!!!!

new pics taken today Sebby and Cheese's nestbox - fully fledged soon I am thinking Angel and Hugo's - all are going well Tralia and Nibbler's nestbox - all growing well, with the eldest a cinnamon winged cobalt/violet spangle?

Clare went to England and her little budgie Ozzie had to be rehomed. He came to my house and he bonded, although at first in sperate cages with Oscar. Here are some pics and video clare, as promised. And some vids to come later

Thank you everyone.

Oops, meant moved Sebby just in time. Mods, any chance you can fix that? First has semi-fledged in Cheese's cage. Golden faced cinnamon wing came out for a look around and then went back into nextbox. Eldest in Nibbler and Tralia's nestbox will not onlybe a spangle, but she/she also looks to be cinnamon. Tralia could be a cinnamon, and Nibbler may carry the gene as his mother was is a cinnamon. Pale Ale is going well and now we see little white feather chicks with black patches. Their size looks good too. My internet connection is playing up so I will be offline for few days. New pics to come upon my return.

Punter did not make it. I need to get some sulphadim for the future, learn to crop feed and get a traditional light. I am thinking that all the lights I have do not generate enough heat.

Seems I moved Sebby just in time. She dropped an egg from the perch today, as she had nowhere to lay her egg. Good advice as always Kaz. I am very pleased with Pale Ale's improvement. He looks very good now. The size difference between soem of them is amazing. The offspring of Sebby and Cheese are little things whilst the size of nibblers offspring, and hugos in another nestbox are all a lot longer and bigger birds.

he is getting worse. He has been in a hospital cage with a warm light on him. he is harly eating now. I am a little worried

Had some problems with photobucket. I have added some new pics. Since I cannot go backa nd edit, i will just do a new reply straight after the last one. Yellow in the feathers of this non-spangle? The 2nd eldest in Nibbler and Tralia's box

Checked on the young and all look good. Cheese and Sebby are now just Cheese. Sebby was doing some cleaning of the nest box, removing litter and I would occassionally find a chick sitting on the floor of the cage. At first i thougth explorers, but the littlest one was far too young. So, after consulting with an expert, i have removed sebby to a seperate cage where she can gather some strength before she heads back to the aviary. Cheese is a great Dad so there should be no problems there. Look how few marks the eldest has on his back, the younger ones have more, so they are not identical, thus easier to tell apart. Here they are all huddled up together. Here is Cheese doing the good Dad thing. Here is Mum sebby all on her lonesome. Angel and Hugo and the 4 in their nest box are all going well. The journeyman could end up being a cinnamon as well, we will have to see. Not an opaline, but the black does not look dark enough. The next 2 are feathering up nicely. they will be single factor dominant pieds, might carry the ino gene, or they might carry the recessive gene as that is what I believe that Angel is split to. Anyway, they will be white dom pieds, so I look forward to seeing them feather. The most encouraging news is that Pale Ale is no longer pale, but is a lot darker now. Maybe he/she has beaten his/her infection. Fluff is covering the body, almost all over, and the skin underneath is pink, as it should be, not a washed out slamon. Here is Dad's dirty face. All he seems to do is eat these days - (Laughing out loud). When you have 6 people to feed, him, angel and 4 young, you need to graze all day. Here are the little ones, not how much darker pale ale is now. Feathers are forming on the others as u can see. Also notice the size difference here. The one closest to the camera dwarfs the journeyman. The journeyman had best ensure that he does not get crushed in there. Tralia, Nibbler and their young are also doing well. The eldest is definitely a spangle, and a blue one at that. Still not sure on the next, but they are all feathering up nicely. Dad is still a good looking bird. Here you can see the tail of the eldest. Definitely a spangle. Here you can see the tail of the 2nd eldest, not a spangle, but the wings look like they have a tinge of yellow. Here you can see the youngest 3, all going well.

I had air before. Kaz told me how to do it. Sit the baby in one hand. using you thumb and index finger of the other hand, slowly squeeze the crop. Start below or jus ton the bottom of the air bubble and work you way up. the little chick should open its mouth as the air is forced out. Be careful as you do not want to force the food back up.