Daz

Pearce, I know what are going through.... .... I stuck with it and was help by a very good Breeder and now very good friend, Gary Armstrong. It's easier to walk away but more satisfying when you've beaten it.

What is in the Seed mix from Karlos? I feed mine. Plain Seed 2 canary, 1 French, 1 jap, 1/2 red panican and a touch of Niger. Water is plain to every 2 lts I add 2.5ml weak iodine. 4 days a week. Plain water with avicleans the rest of the week unless they are moulting and then I add Moulting aide. Soft Food every day is 1 large carrot & Beetroot grated, Baby Spinach leaves and Parsley (spinach and paisley blended) to this I add 1/2 table spoon pentivite this is made up for a week. Every morning and night they get 6 table spoons of this mixture, 1 table spoon whole egg powder, 1 tablespoon of Finch Soft food, 1 cup of hulled oats and 2/3 to 1 cup of budgie starter. Saturday and Sunday they get veggies (carrots, celery, mung bean, snow pea sprouts and corn) in the late afternoon. They have True grit & charcoal in the holding cages and breeding cabinets and True grit in the flights. The breeding and holding cabinets are cleaned and disinfected with FS10sc once a week and so are the flights. I don't hose. I scrape and vacuum every week. High pressure cleaner in the flight and breeding room twice a year. I know I haven't answered your question just putting up what I do. But I am interested in what the seed mix is. You are either missing something ..... Calcivite? (thinking out aloud) It has D. How are your birds getting their D? Mine is in the True Grit and Calcivite. Your birds can't process the calcium you are giving them with out D. If this is so the Phosphrous levels will be out. What about Iodine? There is Iodine in True Grit. I know you have the eggs for protien which is good.

okay I've had a talk to Henry. Your idea with the bleach is fine. Henry cleans out his flights every week end with Bleach. Henry thinks it's a deficiency in nutrition.

You bleach "Every" week.. mmmmm A build up of too much bleach in the aviary???? I'll talk to Henry.

Pearce, I would set about doing a big clean. Put the birds in a cage and give the aviary a good scrub. I'd use a good strong bleach. You can get it at a shop. Cheap too. Water it down as sugested and give everything a good scrub. Then hose it all out and let dry. If you can get some AIL from vetafarm. Pet shops sell it. give the place a good spray. What do you feed your birds on and what about the water. Discribe your management for us. Kaz and others can have a look at this. I am going over to Henry George's tonight, but will look at it when I get back. Don't give up yet. You have some top birds, especially for a beginner.

Great Idea Kaz

Wow can't beat that. 163mm is a bit smaller than I make but for the price, it's a winner. Good for anyone starting out.

After I finish with the doxy and have them on Probotics they will get a dose of Aloe

In a Word...WELCOME

Well done... Let the birds do what they have been imprinted to do and look after their chicks. I would check in a few hours to see if the hens is feeding.. How is the oterh two eggs going?

The Budgerigar Book by Dr. Rob Marshall http://www.birdhealth.com.au/product/prod-...iebook-toc.html I have asked to be 1st on the list and asked permission to advertise it here. Pearce, I am using Megamix at the moment....

Thanks Heath, they are on the list.... Can I recommend the new book that is about to be released????? I had a preview and it's as good as "The Challange" .... yes I know thats a big claim but I have my order in.

Spangle looks too light to be a normal Spanlge Opaline. so I expect it to be Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Compare him to the Normal Light green above... he looks very light green

Well I'm Starting, the new birds I got from Gary A are on Doxy as surgested by him as is the whole flight. I just got a shipment of Dufoplus, Ioford and Fvite... stilll working out how to manage it..

I used to use a teaspoon per 1000ml of water for the ACV. It also has good probotic qualities. Water type of vitamins did you get....? I wouldn't feed sesame seed to budgies as it is not on the normal list... Someone else could answer this one.

I am going through a period in which I am talking to and using (starting) Dr Marshall's Products. Some thing to think about.

I Love it... What is the area between the Breeding room and the shed?

Mega. Don't give Coccivet unless you know it's Cocci.I would place in a hospital cage, Give a dose of Calcivet to the beak and ring a vet.

But that is assuming that there are no splits or masks in these birds.

WHO has 6 levels of pandamic. The swine flu is currently rated at level 4. We have been told that the Australian Government is prepared for this event and have been stock piling medications, masks and gloves. If you don't feel well... get checked out. Minor cases don't have a problem. Most of the deaths in Mexico was from patients that presented themselves very sick and in the later parts of the illness.

The birds will and can breed in the seed dishes. It is rare but does happen. But I don't think we should encourage people, especially the youngsters on the forum, to try to breed the show birds at such a young age. The experience breeders know the bes time to pair up. The birds will tell them. But the inexperienced breeders will try to pair up birds at any stage and wonder why they didn't have success or why the hen died. My suggestion to the ones starting out is to leave the hens and cocks to 12 months old before trying to breed them. Learn what to look for in breeding condition before pairing up. You will have a better chance at geting chicks than if you try them too young and out of condition.

.... can some one reinterate WHY you use ACV? I used to use it all the time and when ask, I really couldn't answer them so I stoped using it. I think you need to sit back and say, I use ?????? because. If you can't answer it, either find out why or stop using it. I used to use it for Mega but I found out that increasiing acid in the digestive tract by either ACV or Citric Acid (citus Friut) was causing it and not helping it. Notes on Lecture by Dr David Phalen at Wynnum

the current Swine Influenza that is causing trouble is a mutation of the avian flue, swine flue and humane influenza. The WHO is worried at the moment that the this could mutate again. It is now at a level 4 Pandemic. Current Countries effected is Mexico, USA, Canada, Spain and a case detected in Ireland or Scotland.

. in an answer .... yes. I make the show cages, Dual, triple , even 6 way breeding cages... Do you want them?

I'd pair this to a recessive and pair back to the off spring to produce DECs.