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Was there a definitive diagnosis?

I like the look of your baby, you'll have to wait for his next moult to see if he develops a bit of blow!

They all need a deeper mask.

Yes, you should. Also be prepared for a warm welcome! Budgie Clubs and their members are a friendly lot!

okay Liv, I'm not going to focus on compatibility but a word of warning: 1. The Recessive Pied cock is a magnificent bird and deserves a better mate, try the Greygreen Hen 2. I don't recommend Grey with Lutino, try Normal Green Cock with Lutino Hen (grey is good with albino but negatively affects the buttercup yellow, Green enhances the yellowness) 3. I would put the Grey Cock to the Recessive Pied Hen (He's not too big but is bigger than her, also his face features should complement hers) 4. I would put the Greygreen Cock to the DF Yellow Spangle (In the absence of Cinnamon, Greygreen goes very well with DF Yellow- I have bred fantastic SF Spangles from this combination) Try putting them in show cages and have a look .... hopefully they'll like each other

You know Pearce I just want to add that I really encourage you to show your birds - inspite of any faults you think they may have. Just remember that every bird has at least one fault but you have to put it all in perspective. Don't wait around for the perfect bird in order to show. What you should be focusing on is breeding the perfect bird and that is when you need to critically assess each bird ahead of deciding on its mate so you don't double up on faults in the offspring.Hope that helps. Yes, that's the desired outcome .... but be prepared to breed and cull the babies that inherit the worst features of each!

Well done GB!

I think your Greygreens look nice but your baby isn't showing much ... could be a bad photo. To be more specific, your cock bird has a lovely blow but his mask could be better (his spots need size and numbers). Your hen has a lovely deep mask but she looks a little pinched around the head- the so-called key hole effect..... though it may be the photo.

Well I'm **** at taking photos - they never do my birds justice .... but I'll see what I can do. So I've snapped some photos in situe, some have come out better than others My Greygreen Cock One of my better Spangles Another Spangle, the photo does him no justice My DF Yellow Spangle, again another bad photo

You know we only have three clubs in WA: SWBC, MBC and The Rares. Many members, myself included, are members of all 3. And many more members just don't show their birds. The Novice Grade here in WA is very competitive and it bodes well for the hobby here that in the past 3 years lots of new members have started breeding. Having said that us Novices are certainly taken care of by the more experienced members which is why the quality of our birds is pretty good. A case in point, Kaz's $30 DF White Spangle she got off Gary Armstrong, and that is by no means an isolated case .... I don't know about you but I'd be surprised if you Novices over East are recipients of such generosity.

Well I'm **** at taking photos - they never do my birds justice :rofl: .... but I'll see what I can do.

Best of Luck! :rofl:

I have had a hen who didn't pluck her first round but then did her second.... I believe conditions play a big factor. If you are ready to monitor closely and are happy with the new surroundings I say give it a go! :rofl:

He is not huge and not small either. I also have his brother, another white DF. Need to find him a nice hen. This is what he looked like 6 months ago the day I got him... He's gorgeous Kaz! Are you thinking Spangle or Normal hen for him?

Hmmmmmmmm. I'm under the distinct impression that Dominat Pieds (aka Banded Pieds) are similar but different to Clearflighted Pieds although at a Show both would be shown in the same class: Austrialian Dominant Pieds. Is that what you mean RIP? The reason for the distinction is that this year's ammendments to the ANBC Standard included a full and comprehensive description of Clearflighted Pieds so as to distinguish from the other 'dominant" variety. The Dutch Pied had never been favoured by the ANBC side of things. If it was to dissappear into obliviation I don't think to many people would care. There have been naming misnomers for years and it still continues today. Probably worse now with the advent of the internet. Unfortunately those who control the colour and standards are not always that well informed or suitably experienced in the varieties. Just because somebody has been breeding budgies for 20, 30 or 40 years it does not neccessarily mean they know there stuff. I have seen a great many people come and go in the fancy and some picked up things quickly and others just don't get it. I personally don't like the use of the term Clearflight as it is too precise. It also is confused with the Continental Clearflight. There are three pied types (actually there are 5 but two of them are not recognised as pieds) and they should stay as they are and shown as such and a standard written to accomodate the variations of each. Pied horse classes don't put up with this level of **** and there are many variations there. I am not a 100% sure but the variegated pied in the standard was written to cater for those pieds that could not be identified and is has just not been changed. I spent many an hour, read a lot of literature, Spoke to overseas breeders of yesteryear, such as Ken Gray, and bred the budgies to discover the truth. I personally believe that a national body should be trying to make sure that all varieties are kept in existance not aid in there dissappearance. The budgie fancy some 60 years ago was a far more exciting place than it is today. I'm sorry, you've lost me. A simple yes or no would suffice.

Bought from Gary Armstrong ( a $30 bird ) ...looked lean and lanky and not much till his recent moult. He's looking better now Ahhh Kaz. I'd say that's an understatement! He looks very typey. How does he go for size?

Hmmmmmmmm. I'm under the distinct impression that Dominat Pieds (aka Banded Pieds) are similar but different to Clearflighted Pieds although at a Show both would be shown in the same class: Austrialian Dominant Pieds. Is that what you mean RIP? The reason for the distinction is that this year's ammendments to the ANBC Standard included a full and comprehensive description of Clearflighted Pieds so as to distinguish from the other 'dominant" variety.

CLASSIC!

Have to agree with Dave here. Why would you want a totally grey bird anyway? Novelty I suppose...

But Renee...he has red eyes Well that's unusual!

Hmmmmm. The cere looks too blue for an ino. I would say your yellow bird is a Double Factor Yellow Spangle.

okay a DF Domi Pied is produced when you breed 2 Domi Pieds together and it doesn't look like a Domi Pied, more like a very long Recessive with an iris ring. You know when you have bred a Clearflighted Pied because the flights are either white or yellow AND because either one of the parents is a Clearflighted Pied.

The Pied Category has 3 mutations: Recessive Pieds, Dominant Pieds and Clearflighted Pieds. They share characteristics but also subtle differences. It's like looking at Opalines, you have Green & Blue Opalines and the AOSV Opalines which include Greywings and Cinnamonwings .... Hope that helps.

They are gorgeous budgies Gina. You deserve to be one of our State's leading breeders.

So on Saturday we had the WA State Championship (Old birds) and Derby (Young birds), 2 Shows combined in one - anyway I think that's how it went. Peter Glassonbury, a National Judge from SA, came over to judge. Despite the predictions of hot weather it was okay indoors with the air con. The event was held at the SWBC Club near Mandurah and it was quite a good showing (for WA) with over 200 birds benched. Peter commented that the standard of the birds was the best he'd seen so far (I don't know how many other states he's visited so far this year) and commended the strong Novice showing. Best Novice Young Bird - Trish Van Dyke Best Novice Old Bird - Blake Anthony I did okay in the Young Birds Derby, my favourites (Magic and a young DF Yellow Spangle) were beaten into 2nd place but a Young Cinnamonwing of mine took out 1st in his class and then went on to place 4th overall in the Novice Grade, that would be Highly Commended. I did a bit better in the State Championship, a Lutino I bred last year placed 2nd overall in the Novice Grade (that would be Reserve Champion) and a Greygreen I bred last year also placed well overall, I think it came in 3rd or 4th. In the Colour Class Division I won Best NSV for a young SF Yellowface Cinnamon cock that I bred this year, also my Lin Pittick Greywing I bought at auction last year won Best Greywing (I take no credit for that). I took along just over 20 birds and almost all placed in the top 3 of their class.