*libby*

As birds go... he's one "smexy" special bird

Congrats on your new friend

Congratulations, can't wait to see pictures!

Mine are from a local club with the intials LIB was 40 dollars for 100 also.

They're very nice birds derek, congrats on your purchases!

Fallow dom pied and a mauve normal, Love the fallow! i'm jealous!

Very true norm, you can only have one or the other from memory... But, what if the greywing is not a full body greywing, but a 50% dilute one, which can happen?

The dad is a small show type and the mother is rung, with a billion throat spots like a show bird with too many, but she's only small... So i'm hoping their parentage were rather large :hap:

1- yf opaline 2- yf cinnwing or greywing opaline 3- yf opaline 4- violet opaline 5- yf cinnwing or greywing opaline again They're gorgeous, what do the parents look like?

One i thought was confirmed as a BES? the other looks like a greywing

I've just sold many of my tame bubs also, it gets hard when they have such good personalities, but all mine have gone to lovely homes, so i'm happy

Wormer can be bought from a local pet shop usually /bird dealer and just check him over for any kind of mites on his body/feathers:)

Have fun what good luck!

They're a nice couple

He could well have a parasite who is feeding of him and stealing his vital nutrience. Try checking him over for any kind of mite and worming him.

I personally recommend a minimum of 12 months. I don't have scientific evidence or any proof stating this age is proper, however i have experienced the breeding of young birds, egg binding and the problems that can occur from those birds raising a clutch/trying, should they have made it to hatching. At first i only said to go with 12 months as that was the more knowledgeable peoples words. In time and experience of the concequences that happened from breeding a bird a little younger or sometimes even at 12 months i decided I personally choose to wait and not risk the life of the bird, nor the chicks in jumping the gun. Younger birds are more suspetable to egg binding as you could imagine a 10 yr old having difficulty giving birth also with not being fully grown to the extent of what is needed within the body frame and vital organs for reproduction. They don't know how to settle on a clutch of eggs well (the odd ones will) so most eggs will be broken, DIS or addled from either being knocked around, left cold or just not cared for well if they even managed to fertilise them in the first place and once it gets to young chicks, if it actually does, more often than not they don't know how to care for chicks well and will make vital mistakes in the warming and feeding of these chicks. Just like with humans I think it takes time for them to build up their knowledge from around them and learn. Not all will do so as we all know some hens are just bad mothers, but others i think need the chance to get old enough to be able to do a good job, same as with humans. I would not choose to support a teenage girl, should she wish to get pregnant so i try not to breed my bird too young either unless caught unaware, in which case it is halted.

Not all opalines have a clear V. I'm not saying it is a definate opaline, i said it has a possibility of being one, or pied. It has something else thrown in with the spangling.

This baby is a normal cinnamonwing bub - http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/1libby/PICT0004.jpg That birds definatly a greywing.

Her eyes are black, with iris rings. She has some kind of spangle markings on her, but i can't tell if she's got pied in her too or opaline.

Anyway of darkening it in a dark room then to see the markings?

flirtation is she definatly a she? and not a he? as that seems like typical cock flirting behaviour?

She is not a fallow, as fallows have red eyes. Can you get any pictures of her where it's not over exposed so we can see the markings better? perhaps in a darker room?

Chick three is a grey green greywing by the looks of it.

They're fairly well feathered as the mums club/show bred but small and the dads a small sized show :yellowhead: Probably won't invest in crested but try to breed my own from these instead :budgiedance:

Looking forward to pics :budgiedance: