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Thanks guys, cheers for that MB. Although it doesn't tell me much about the gene it does confirm that a crest bred bird can have crested offspring, so that helps, alot!

Your lutino cock to a yf hen could work, but only if he is split blue. Timbo, you won't get ino's from a hen alone, the cock has to atleast be split.

Well some of you may remember a while back i got 8 birds off a very generous man from my club. When he was here he told me a bit about the birds, but I for some stupid reason didn't pay much attention. He mentioned one bird was "crest" bred, but since there was no evidence visually i was a bit pessimistic... not knowing anything about crested budgies probably didn't help this. I couldn't even remember who he said was crest bred, but i know the bird was bred from a lady up in the hills named Julie. Well his df spangle cock was paired to my violet hen. Today on a nest inspection we found some very exciting results.... http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....opaline+spangle - the dad in this post. - baby 1 - baby 1 - baby1 - baby 1 - baby 2 - baby 2 - baby 2 Now at first when i saw this a few days ago i thought it was another baby with mis-directed feathers and it would start to right itself, but when i saw the second chick with it... the peices of the puzzle fell together, but even though i've never seen one before in real life, they definatly look like crested to me, or tufted, which ever it is. Does any one know anything about breeding crested birds, and what kind of gene they're connected with to get the chicks from a crest bred cock???

He'll only do if he's split ino... if he's not you'll only get split ino cocks. a hen on her own can not produce visual ino gene. Only split.

I agree. Although it is possible that it could work, it's not the best thing for the birds, or the most comfortable, best to go with the proper ways, even buying a cheap breeding cage if you don't want to use specific cabinets.

Very cute

i agree with elly also

i like norms idea, with an aviary like that it's a simple fix and low cost

that's odd for birds to perch so low, but i guess they see it as fun :0

I love her head on the pillow one and her stretching up to undo the zipper, it's cute as!

Henry's a hen :S? Cute pics though, She's in luuurrve!

well from those far pics, top one i say cock, bottom two i say one hen and one cock, hen being the one at the back... what're you chasing?

i have a few.... HUNDRED looking like that in the aviary atm also :hap: i'll get some pics tomorrow when it's light if i get time before my partners bbq

they're all different and although you have experience it's always better to be left with the parents. I hand rear only when there is no other option, e.g. when i have no other hens with chicks or any acceptable fosters. A chick who is parent raised can become just as tame as a hand reared one, it depends on the time and effort that is put in with the bird and the birds personality. I've had bubs raised from a week old by me who turned feral at the first chance, and others who were totally parent raised yet love human contact. There is no specifics to say which is better and who is tamer, because that can only be determined by the owner. However what is better for the bird, if provided a proper diet with nutrients, then leaving them with the parents will always come first as they truly know how to care for them. No amount of formula, vitamins, minerals or suppliments can ever give the birds as healthy a look than good parents. PLus there's alot of downers to handr earing and alot that can go wrong. My motto now is to only interfere if i have to. otherwise it all comes down to training once they're old enough :hap: Only my personal opinion... other may differ

green x green will give you 100% normal greens... Without knowing the parentage it becomes impossible to predict all the outcomes... if the two cocks are brothers that suggest your cock is split blue, and possibly opaline But there's no certanties on that... The yf opaline cock x a spangle will give you birds that're 50% spangle 50% normal another 50% of both the spangles and normal will be yf and the cock will also produce opaline hens... that's all for visual genes... i can't tell you what percentage of what you'll get, but those are the outcomes i see.

budgies and lovebirds or any other bird mixed in with lovebirds should never be put together. Try to get some pictures of your aviary and do some breeding reading before starting... all conditions must be ideal :hap:

That's not a normal green cinnamon melbournebudgies, that's a yf2 cinnamon, and to see the cinnamon she more needs a photo of the wings. Can you name your pictures Jodie with who's who so it's easier for us to work out who you're wanting to pair... And no birds in your pics are cinnamon :hap:

may need closer pictures i think before giving definates

those three seem to be olives... the difference between olive and grey green is the cheek patches, olives are blue, grey green are grey BUT some grey greens have blue ones it's not specific, but it's the general rule to follow where you don't know parentage, but all three boys seem like olives to me

looking good keep up the good work!

up to you then, sorry i thought you meant chicks If you want opalins in your aviary, keep them if not keep the normals if you think you have enough opalines, and if you're undecided, why not keep one of each All four definatly olives and not grey greens, as that could alter your decision also... they're very similar

are you sure the opalines are males? what're the parents? any pictures... the dad would atleast have to be split opaline and the hen showing it for the babies to be male... young hens can look like cocks to the inexperienced eye.... No-one can tell you which to keep, that's your personal prefrence with your own reasoning

Some can be carriers without having the disease affect them, it's not specifically an immunity although it can be looked on like that... it's like women... yes i know an odd example... We're born with all our eggs in our ovaries, but these eggs can't be used until something within us activates it, e.g. puberty... so for a bird to be a carrier the disease may not show until they fall ill with something else, which doesn't necessarily make them immune, but more... dormant...... eggs in ovaries are a bad example as they can't be passed on... but it's an example of it being dormant until activated...

I feel dirty if i have birds inside too long :s so unless kept in the brooder as babies, i try to keep them out back

funny you mention pidgeons, i had a family pick up a pet bird today... the man was a show pidgeon breeder :| I think he thought we'd connect on some level with me starting to breed show birds... was quite awkward and hard to explain LOL!