Yellowface Confusion

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I was just wondering if someone could PLEASE explain the genetics of my YF family! I sometimes look into yellowface genetics and know the basic rules. I cannot decide on what on earth half my pet type flock is though! It all originates around the one bird though, Apollo. If someone would please be able to explain what each bird is, and how the genetics have worked out, I would be very very grateful....Also, How will I get more like Chick 1 and 2? I sold the Mum, and I have never been able to get more...

 

Apollo (he is a spangle and opaline, and split pied)

 

 

Apollo had 5 chicks with a Violet Cinnamon Spangle (chicks 4 and 5 were normal blue and violet's)

 

1

2

 

3 is Phantom, a DF Spangle

 

 

Apollo and Phantom

 

Apollo has also produced the bird on the right, with the hen on the left.

 

And, what type of pied's and yellowface are these two birds?

Edited December 28, 2011 by Squeak_Crumble

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Anyone?

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Apollo is yellow face type 2 (spangle opaline like you stated) being that bright in colour i would think sky blue.

baby1 - just like dad.

baby2 - yellow face type 2 cobalt

 

Phantom - is finding a new home with me with colour he is hard due to the DF spangle, he could be violet or mauve looking at the bleeding into the body colour.

last baby - yellow face type 2 grey.

 

as to the other two: both golden face recessive pieds.

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Apollo is yellow face type 2 (spangle opaline like you stated) being that bright in colour i would think sky blue.

baby1 - just like dad.

baby2 - yellow face type 2 cobalt

 

Phantom - is finding a new home with me with colour he is hard due to the DF spangle, he could be violet or mauve looking at the bleeding into the body colour.

last baby - yellow face type 2 grey.

 

as to the other two: both golden face recessive pieds.

 

I thought with yellowface 2, after the moult, the yellow will bleed into the colour? How come with chick one, he was born with it?

 

I think Phantom is a violet, the mum was a violet which would explain the cobalt...most likely chick one was a violet sky? not sure on the whole violet and dark factors thing >.< Also, The top pied bird has iris rings? Would that mean he is a dominant pied?

 

AND THANKYOU

Edited December 30, 2011 by Squeak_Crumble

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Top pied looks dominant and bottom pied recessive ... I bred a pied once which had 1 solid black eye and 1 eye with an iris ring...

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i agree the last two are agf cobalt s

im thinking the top one if it is an iris ring in its eye like looks to be is a df dom pied

 

i can help you with what colors you want to breed as these little beauties was my thing as pet birds

 

i also think the df is cobalt not mauve or violet

 

 

if you breed apollo back to his daughter the cobalt spangle yf you will start the process

however is that hen that hes next to not the yf (grey ) the mother is she mauve cause if she is then the yf is mauve also and

breed him with her again if you can

rather than the daughter

 

you have the makings in your aviary to breed these squeek

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its really not that hard to grasp with out knowing your genetics just need to know your basic splits and what your cocks are split two

also your colour factors

light ,dark,double dark

id be more than happy to share the pairings you need as in what dark factors you will need to get what colours your wanting you already know i bet just some days our brains go durrrrrr

Edited December 30, 2011 by GenericBlue

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I'm inclined to think that Apollo is 2 yellow face types because because chick 1 looks like a mutant type two and chick 2 looks like a mutant type 1.

The yellow face 1 would be hidden by the yellow face 2 in Apollo but he could produce chicks of both types as well as white face and combined types like himself

 

The first of the two pieds is a dominant pied (possibly double factor) and the second is a recessive pied

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I'm inclined to think that Apollo is 2 yellow face types because because chick 1 looks like a mutant type two and chick 2 looks like a mutant type 1.

The yellow face 1 would be hidden by the yellow face 2 in Apollo but he could produce chicks of both types as well as white face and combined types like himself

 

The first of the two pieds is a dominant pied (possibly double factor) and the second is a recessive pied

 

i agree nev the one behind the first one looks single factor yf cobalt

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i agree the last two are agf cobalt s I know the DF Dominant Pied is a violet, photo attached below!

im thinking the top one if it is an iris ring in its eye like looks to be is a df dom pied

 

i can help you with what colors you want to breed as these little beauties was my thing as pet birds

 

i also think the df is cobalt not mauve or violet

 

 

if you breed apollo back to his daughter the cobalt spangle yf you will start the process I no longer have her, both chicks 1 and two were sold

however is that hen that hes next to not the yf (grey ) the mother is she mauve cause if she is then the yf is mauve also and In the picture of the spangle grey, then him, then the yf grey spangle, the grey spangle is not related at all, she is the mother of the yf grey spangle sitting next to him

breed him with her again if you can

rather than the daughter

 

you have the makings in your aviary to breed these squeek

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its really not that hard to grasp with out knowing your genetics just need to know your basic splits and what your cocks are split two

also your colour factors

light ,dark,double dark

id be more than happy to share the pairings you need as in what dark factors you will need to get what colours your wanting you already know i bet just some days our brains go durrrrrr

 

I have a couple answers in bold, those are the birds that caught my eye and I would love to breed. I would also adore breeding some pure 'rainbow's , so I am currently searching for some clearwings. I have listed below my entire pet flock GB, if you could help me get some pretty cool pairings, that would be great! (females are in pink, males are in blue) I am going to try and get a clearwing hen by the way. Also, I have show hen's I could use if needed.

Apollo - YF 2 Sky Blue Opaline Spangle /Rec.Pied

Willow - Spangle Grey/Rec. Pied

Kitron - YF 2 Spangle Grey possibly split Rec.Pied (Mother is Willow, Father is Apollo)

Smudgie - Grey Recessive Pied (Mother is Willow, Father is Apollo)

Phantom - YF 2 DF Spangle/Cinnamon (not sure on factor colour, mum was a violet, Father is Apollo)

Smiggle - Normal Violet/Rec. Pied maybe Fallow

Tingle - GF Recessive Pied Cobalt

Kringle - GF DF Dominant Pied Violet

Vermello - Some type of clearwing/dilute and spangle mish mash.... grey-green

Kislap - Spangle Clearbody Opaline Mauve ( I think.... )

 

Photo of Vermello

 

Photo of Kislap

 

Photo of Kringle,to prove he is violet! haha and some more photo's of the pied pair

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i can do that will be fun its been while since i got to breed pretty birds am missing it sooooooooooooo much

 

okay well first are your golden face pieds brother sister ?

can you tell me familys as if you want to do this to get proper line pet rainbows as a end result then best not to breed inbreeding if posible to start so can you write all familys for me

an easy way to do it is is to an example

 

yf sky spangle cock /rec pied

then list all his chicks every one you have even if with other hens ..okay

 

then so on so on

next to the chicks then write as example

yf grey hen......grey hen and their age if known

can you do that for me ????

 

 

do this will all the birds you have and the ones you havent breed that are not in familys then just write in a list after the familys you have

this way i know what i can work with to get you their straight away soon as pos

 

 

 

 

 

OMG ...edited as im soooo DUMB lol you did all that lol

okay

 

ps great the rec is violet even better start

 

Kitron - YF 2 Spangle Grey possibly split Rec.Pied (Mother is Willow, Father is Apollo)

Smudgie - Grey Recessive Pied (Mother is Willow, Father is Apollo)

Phantom - YF 2 DF Spangle/Cinnamon (not sure on factor colour, mum was a violet, Father is Apollo)

 

 

 

 

Vermello - Some type of clearwing/dilute and spangle mish mash.... grey-green

 

 

 

Apollo - YF 2 Sky Blue Opaline Spangle /Rec.Pied...Willow - Spangle Grey/Rec. Pied .............

mum n dad to Kitron - YF 2 Spangle Grey possibly split Rec.Pied (Mother is Willow, Father is Apollo)

Smudgie - Grey Recessive Pied (Mother is Willow, Father is Apollo)

 

 

Smiggle - Normal Violet/Rec. Pied maybe Fallow

Tingle - GF Recessive Pied Cobalt

Kringle - GF DF Dominant Pied Violet

Kislap - Spangle Clearbody Opaline Mauve (

 

 

 

okay is that all related bro sisters half bro sisters ??? anything else related

do you know

 

ps keep the grey green dilute out of this all together dont use grey green if you can help it as will take longer to get pretty colours should discared the greys two however you need them for now to breed more cobalts or skys or violets /mauves so

just for now .... we can use them to get numbers

Edited December 30, 2011 by GenericBlue

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i can do that will be fun its been while since i got to breed pretty birds am missing it sooooooooooooo much

 

okay well first are your golden face pieds brother sister ?

ps great the rec is violet even better start

 

And yes, everything is right that you got (phantom is half-brother to kitron and smudgie)

 

I don't know, I got them at the same time, and they are quite similar, BUT if one is DF dominant pied, and the other is rec. pied, then I wouldn't think they would be related...not sure...

Ages:

Apollo - 5 or so? (very fertile and healthy though!)

Willow - Unknown

Kitron - Start of this year

Smudgie - Start of this year

Phantom - November 2008... going on 4?

Smiggle - Last Year

Tingle - Would have been born last year

Kringle - Would have been born last year

Vermello - 6 months

Kislap - 6 months

 

If this helps (Candy is gone, why the red X is there) Males are green, hens are red...

Edited December 30, 2011 by Squeak_Crumble

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breed phantom and the pied violet hen together first up

you will then find out ...one ... if phantom in fact has inherited the pied genetic from Apollo

two... what color he is what factor he carry's

and three you will breed agf chicks and type two yf chicks all spangles and

if he holds the pied genetic he will breed pie's and split pies

in all the colors you need to get a good first gen started

 

the pieds could be brother sister doms can be split rec pied

we will find out

 

where is smigle ??? can you get me a new picture of each bird hun in next week

just so i know who im looking at with name and sex next to it cheers

Edited December 30, 2011 by GenericBlue

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Will start for you now

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for true rainbows we have to weed the cinnamon out after you have enough stock

 

okay forgot about our time differences lol

cool

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Apollo - YF 2 Sky Blue Opaline Spangle /Rec.Pied

 

Willow - Spangle Grey/Rec. Pied

 

Kitron - YF 2 Spangle Grey possibly split Rec.Pied (Mother is Willow, Father is Apollo) BABY PICTURES SORRY

 

Smudgie - Grey Recessive Pied (Mother is Willow, Father is Apollo)

 

Phantom - YF 2 DF Spangle/Cinnamon (not sure on factor colour, mum was a violet, Father is Apollo)

 

Smiggle - Normal Violet/Rec. Pied maybe Fallow HE IS ACTUALLY A COBALT SORRY

 

Tingle - GF Recessive Pied Cobalt

 

Kringle - GF DF Dominant Pied Violet

 

 

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m this one looks like the violet not the other one Tingle - GF Recessive Pied Cobalt

oh well put the hen with the df spangle cock phantom

thats a start

you really need a cobalt hen or a violet he normal to put with your Apollo hun not yf be best

if your going to get a clear wing hen id get a clearwing hen for him in either cobalt sky or violet

pair him with it straight away and then when you have done that

swap the hens so phantom then has the clear wing hen and apollo the pied hen

can you hunt down a clear wing to do that with as you want them to be paired at same time so all young are same ages

 

 

as for the rest dont worry about them as yet just breed for pretty colours

for now

i suggest putting the violet clearbody with they grey to get some hopefully violet grays

 

the yf grey/pied pos with the pos /fellow cobalt boy

 

theirs reasons for this ill explain latter to you

Edited December 30, 2011 by GenericBlue

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Also, The top pied bird has iris rings? Would that mean he is a dominant pied?

 

AND THANKYOU

 

 

Top pied looks dominant and bottom pied recessive ... I bred a pied once which had 1 solid black eye and 1 eye with an iris ring...

 

 

O_o My mistake it is a dominant pied. been a while since I made that error.

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m this one looks like the violet not the other one Tingle - GF Recessive Pied Cobalt

oh well put the hen with the df spangle cock phantom

thats a start

you really need a cobalt hen or a violet he normal to put with your Apollo hun not yf be best

if your going to get a clear wing hen id get a clearwing hen for him in either cobalt sky or violet

pair him with it straight away and then when you have done that

swap the hens so phantom then has the clear wing hen and apollo the pied hen

can you hunt down a clear wing to do that with as you want them to be paired at same time so all young are same ages

 

i suggest putting the violet clearbody with they grey to get some hopefully violet grays

 

the yf grey/pied pos with the pos /fellow cobalt boy

 

Okay GB, I have contacted someone and she reckons she should be able to get me some clearwings, some gf violet's or mauve's, and possibly some opaline clearwings....How does that sound? I am looking at getting maybe 3 hens and a cock (at least some /clearwings and visuals) she also talked about some yf dilute clearwings.... She likes pretty birds

 

O_o My mistake it is a dominant pied. been a while since I made that error.

 

Don't be to harsh, he has the markings of a rec. pied, it is easy to assume!

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m this one looks like the violet not the other one Tingle - GF Recessive Pied Cobalt

oh well put the hen with the df spangle cock phantom

thats a start

you really need a cobalt hen or a violet he normal to put with your Apollo hun not yf be best

if your going to get a clear wing hen id get a clearwing hen for him in either cobalt sky or violet

pair him with it straight away and then when you have done that

swap the hens so phantom then has the clear wing hen and apollo the pied hen

can you hunt down a clear wing to do that with as you want them to be paired at same time so all young are same ages

 

i suggest putting the violet clearbody with they grey to get some hopefully violet grays

 

the yf grey/pied pos with the pos /fellow cobalt boy

 

Okay GB, I have contacted someone and she reckons she should be able to get me some clearwings, some gf violet's or mauve's, and possibly some opaline clearwings....How does that sound? I am looking at getting maybe 3 hens and a cock (at least some /clearwings and visuals) she also talked about some yf dilute clearwings.... She likes pretty birds

 

O_o My mistake it is a dominant pied. been a while since I made that error.

 

Don't be to harsh, he has the markings of a rec. pied, it is easy to assume!

 

thats great get equal pairs as in

one each sex each varierty if you can or get two clearwings two goldenfaces dont worry about the yf dilutes

but if you cant get perticulair sex just get two or three of the two veriertys like 3 ayf and 3 clear wings

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should I try and get opaline clearwings? i fon't want to buy more then maybe 4 or 5 birds....

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should I try and get opaline clearwings? i fon't want to buy more then maybe 4 or 5 birds....

either opalines are dime a dozzen

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Are the 2 pieds bred out of the same pair as the other chicks?

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how did you go getting your clearwings hun ?????????

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So sorry about this thread, I am finally picking up the birds at our club meeting on Tuesday. I think I got a df clearwing, and a single factor.... I didn't know you could get DF in clearwings? Or maybe she meant with the yellowface....and they are opaline. So I will post back here what I got. I kept a violet sky opaline clearbody hen, as I want to try and breed a YF violet clearbody. I will be pairing up all the pet-types on Wednesdsay/Thursday next week