In my opinion, it is alot more satisfying to tame an unclipped budgie rather then a budgie that has been clipped.

 

If you are training a bird that has been clipped, it's as if you are forcing it to like you. Whereas if they are unclipped then their fondness of you is alot more honest. Unclipped budgies have the option to fly away if they feel threatened or uncomfortable and if it is wanting to be with you wouldn't it feel so much more satisfying? Budgies who've been clipped have no choice but to sit on your finger because they don't have that option to fly away.

 

 

What are your thoughts on this topic?

This is probably a huge topic on this site- I appologise if I have offended anybody.

Well i clipped Blinkie's wings but he can fly now and still loves me. :rip: I really think Blinks doesn't ccount cause i handled him from a baby anyway, my first budgie ever was from a breeder and unclipped and i tamed her no probs, she was great. Every budgie since i couldn't tame (clipped or unclipped) so i clipped Blinks wing to try and garantee myself a tame budgie though now i think about it i spent soooo much time with him it wouldn't have made a difference. It is nice now having him around me knowing he could be elsewhere.

I wait and see how my birds cope with indoors first before deciding whether to clip or not.

I had to clip Boris' wings as she kept flying full pelt into the windows, doors & walls - curtains drawn! I was really afraid she would hurt herself. She is growing them back now so in another month or so she will be unstoppable.

 

Sunshine however, doesn't need clipping, she is a good 'soft' flyer who always manages to land on something (except when she falls behind something) so she is safe.

Of course it is an individuals choice but I also believe it is dependent on the individual bird. I have done it both ways. My tiel Sam, was unclipped and I tamed him, his girlfriend on the other hand was very untamed and to even get close to her we had to clip her. She was the hissing sort, bitting fearful so I would put her on the back of the couch after her wings were clipped and just watch TV. I would then have goodies to entice her to get close to me on her own, it did work. She was never the tamest but she at least trusted my hand to eat from it :rip:. As for my budgie, Pretty he was already clipped would I have clipped him I am not sure but I know I will let his wings grow back. They did a good wing clip because if he wants to get away he certainly can, he doesn't drop like a rock. He can fly a pretty good distance with those clipped wings, I can't wait to see him in full flight .

Edited November 9, 200519 yr by lovey

Budgies who've been clipped have no choice but to sit on your finger because they don't have that option to fly away.

What are your thoughts on this topic?

This is probably a huge topic on this site- I appologise if I have offended anybody.

 

Wing trimming is a hotly debatable topic around here. I have had budgies both trimmed and untrimmed. The only thing I will say right now is that I don't agree with your statement I quoted. If the budgie doesn't want to be on your finger, he will leave whether he is clipped or not. He may not be able to fly up to a curtain rod to get away, but he will jump or fly off if he's not comfortable. They still have a choice.

Budgies who've been clipped have no choice but to sit on your finger because they don't have that option to fly away.

What are your thoughts on this topic?

This is probably a huge topic on this site- I appologise if I have offended anybody.

 

Wing trimming is a hotly debatable topic around here. I have had budgies both trimmed and untrimmed. The only thing I will say right now is that I don't agree with your statement I quoted. If the budgie doesn't want to be on your finger, he will leave whether he is clipped or not. He may not be able to fly up to a curtain rod to get away, but he will jump or fly off if he's not comfortable. They still have a choice.

 

I agree on the second statement, Pretty though clipped certainly has a choice. I still have to put him in a room that is smaller to work with him because he will fly just lower back and forth from the living room to the kitchen to his cage. He does leave (Laughing out loud) I also believe that the way you train can give your clipped bird a choice. Example, my tiel though clipped she would NOT go on my finger she ran and did fly away so we worked on the couch by putting her at a distance she felt okay with and then worked on rewarding.

Edited November 9, 200519 yr by lovey

After re-reading what I wrote it does seem offensive, I'm sorry. I was all fired up because I just read a website that had training methods that were something similar to this:

 

clip your birds wings and then hold it cupped in your hand without letting it go. If it bites you then put up with it, but don't let it go even if it screams.

 

I dunno.. my applogies.

After re-reading what I wrote it does seem offensive, I'm sorry. I was all fired up because I just read a website that had training methods that were something similar to this:

 

clip your birds wings and then hold it cupped in your hand without letting it go. If it bites you then put up with it, but don't let it go even if it screams.

 

I dunno.. my applogies.

 

I don't think you have to feel sorry for your beliefs (that is just me), we all have opinions. I have read that same exact thiing and wonder what is really being accomplished there. Has anybody ever trained that way? I do hold Pretty in my hand so he gets used to me inspecting him not to train him, and he is an angel about it so I am lucky. But when given the opportunity after the nice little nail trim or inspection he is off .

After re-reading what I wrote it does seem offensive, I'm sorry. I was all fired up because I just read a website that had training methods that were something similar to this:

 

clip your birds wings and then hold it cupped in your hand without letting it go. If it bites you then put up with it, but don't let it go even if it screams.

 

I dunno.. my applogies.

 

I did not find what you wrote in your first post offensive at all. You merely stated your opinion, and everybody gets to have one of those. A lot of people share it.

 

The idea of grabbing a bird and holding it against it's will in the name of "training" is offensive to me, not the fact you repeated what you read. It's a shame you know, because someone out there will come across that site too, read that, and try it. How awful for both the bird and the new owner. It will undoubtedly have the opposite effect from what they are trying to accomplish. **sigh** It makes me a bit fired up too.

It's sad isn't it. I was even reading a BOOK which I borrowed from the library and it had similar methods to which was mentioned.

It's sad isn't it. I was even reading a BOOK which I borrowed from the library and it had similar methods to which was mentioned.

 

I wonder if it is old school? I don't agree with it at all. By The Way I went to the local grocery and saw grit with a budgie on the picture it was Hartz brand

there is so much misguided information.

Legolas was clipped one time but now he can fly but he isn't tamed anymore thats because he got a girlfriend and they're laying eggs now.

 

Oliver was also clipped one time but no he can fly but he is still tamed and a great bird and I'm still taming him.

 

I think that it depends on the birds whether they are clipped or not. I actually love to watch my budgies fly around they look so happy

Honestly, I'm not totally against wing clipping used in taming. I've had very good relationships with my birds by doing so. I have left them unclipped when they've molted. Carrington was clipped when I got her.. and she's a great little bird. Her wings have pretty much grown in now and she's still tame even though I've added another budgie. He was clipped slightly.. but you wouldn't know it from flying ability. He flys as though he wasn't clipped at all. He wasn't difficult to tame even though he could fly away. He was very young when I got him. So, I think that I would try taming unclipped if I have any other birds in the future.

 

I was pretty happy today because Carrington chose to spend some time with me over by the computer even though Bunny was telling her to "get back over here".

my jim is really tame now,ive had him for 3 weeks today and he is about 8-9 weeks old,his wings are not clipped and hes totally trusting of me,even sleeps on my shoulder and when hes flying around the room he comes back to land on my arm,i have had about 5 budgies over the years and this one is the best.

I'd say no to clipping, budgies are so small.

 

Well done welshman

Talking about holding the budgie in your hands and not letting go even when it screams and bites.

Well when I first got Saffron I had her all friendly and finger tamed and everything and then I got out this book that said that to make them truly bond with you you should hold them in your hands so that they can't escape and hold them next to your heart for a good 15 minutes or so. It was a load of *insert euphanism here*. After I did that she was petrified of me. And I am still trying to retame her now. But because of that book Saffron is untrusting.

I think the best way, is to give the bird options, if it wants to stay with you it can and if it wants to go it can, but holding them against their will like that isn't the way to bond.

 

Sorry, I was quite annoyed about that.

I am so annoyed by old budgie books and websites. Where do they come up with that stuff?? What part of holding a budgie against its will teaches it to trust you? I use a "capture" method myself but it is nothing like that and doesn't involve the budgie being unable to move or get away.

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOoo Glad I haven't had to go through any of this with Apple.. Being handraised, hes been trusting from an early age.. AND BOY AM I GLAD :hap: Hes unclipped also, I think hes rather lucky.. considering I live in the tropics, id rather sit here in the scorching heat with all ceiling fans off just so that he can be free flighted (don't worry hes kept cool)

Cheers :beer:

Una

finger into the belly and talking to the budgie all the time worked for me.Jim gets funnier by the day,wolf whistles,talking,following me around the room,thats a nice one.

Jim sure is great! Two of my "raised on the floor" budgies, both males from separate clutchs, ended up going to the same home with their wings clipped and both well hand tamed by me. Since then the owner has decided not to reclip, they still are both tame and one of them even lands on her son's shoulder whenever he plays the piano! So I guess it is a personal decision by each owner based on each individual bird. As for me, my tame birds are clipped and my not-so-tame ones, aren't.

I am so annoyed by old budgie books and websites. Where do they come up with that stuff?? What part of holding a budgie against its will teaches it to trust you? I use a "capture" method myself but it is nothing like that and doesn't involve the budgie being unable to move or get away.

 

I agree totally with this it is wrong.

 

I only hold Pretty so he is used to me holding him for inspection. In fact, I make it a habit to pluck him off his perch 3x a week at least talk to him and inspect his feet and underside or cut his nails. He is very used to it, does it like it no (Laughing out loud).

 

I only do it when I know he will handle it, like if I put my hand up on his back and he doesn't move I just take him and pluck him literally off the perch. He is like MOM he fuss a bit but he trusts that I will not hurt him. In fact I notice that he will hop on my finger but not my husbands or the kids, he knows who to love . Has this tamed him any faster, absolutely not.

 

His trust is based on me talking to him in and out of his cage, on my finger and off etc...

 

His wings were clipped when I purchased him they did a good clip, so he can take off when he wants and now his flight feathers are coming in. My view on clipping vs no clipping is based on each individual bird. I never clipped my male Sam tiel wings when I trained him but I did with his girlfriend because she was very untamed. We need to treat each budgie as an individual because that is what they are

Two of my "raised on the floor" budgies, both males from separate clutchs, ended up going to the same home with their wings clipped and both well hand tamed by me.

 

What is this raised on the floor method? :mellow:

:ausb: BELIEVE ME THAT YOU NEVER WANT TO DO THAT AND QUITE PROBABLY YOU CAN'T EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO!!

Please read my frantic post, Inadvertant Budgie Breeder, Breeding without a Next Box! :ausb:

I just realised, I thought the raised on the floor method was a way of taming budgies. I didn't realise that you meant that they had been laid on the floor and raised by their parents there.

Whoops

 

I just realised, I thought the raised on the floor method was a way of taming budgies. I didn't realise that you meant that they had been laid on the floor and raised by their parents there.

Whoops

 

 

Don't feel silly, I didn't know it either until Phoebe wrote her response. I was thinking the same thing